Cottage Gardening forum: Seeds are Sprouting .... Chat # 7

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Apr 1, 2015 9:21 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Michigan UP (Zone 4b or 5a)
Joseph, " I'll develop sweet yellow tomatoes that I like to eat, and if they don't like it.... then they can cry weeeeee, weeeee, weeeeee, all the way home. " Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

I've been quite amazed over the past several years at how many people I've found that just don't like tomatoes -- hard for me to understand, but then again we don't all have the same sense of taste... case in point is the love it or hate it cilantro ( Sticking tongue out , in my opinion).

I've learned that if the description of a tomato says "low acid," "mild flavor," or anything of the sort, I don't want it Big Yellow Grin
"I am still learning"~~ Michelangelo
National Gardening Association
Apr 1, 2015 9:39 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
I just saw the late evening news and it looks like all you folks in In are gonna get slammed with the bad weather now. They said you can have tornadoes and hail and major thunderstorms. Protect them babies Northern piggies and I hope you stay safe.

Arlene Ouch! Just glad it wasn't worse. The say come Sunday morning I can be back in the 30's and you will probably have frost again or darn close to it.

I wonder if you could put some shade cloth over your broccoli to keep it cooler, though your probably about 5 to ten degrees cooler than me. Neighbor had put out row after row after row of broccoli for a winter crop. I was surprised that even with all the frost and cold that they plants survived. All it took was them few days of warm weather and those plants went from a few inches to about a foot tall and every single of one of them has gone to seed. Unless the leaves are edible, that whole crop is gone and wasted before even producing any fruit.

Joseph For the Okra I just use a small plastic cup about the size of a little kids bathroom cup. One just a few inches tall. I toss in about 35 to 50 seeds , add warm water almost to top and pour in about a 1/4 capful of the hydrogen peroxide per cup.

If by chance , and that mainly cuz the water got too cold overnight, and they haven't germinated by morning, than I just re-do with fresh warm water and they up by the next day. Any that don't have a radical showing at that time, I usually just toss out that seed, as generally I have found if I planted it, it didn't germinate at all.

I did learn the hard way to use a small measuring spoon to get the sprouted Okra seeds out of the cup only doing a few at a time. First time I tipped the whole cup of water out and the seeds all stuck to the cup and then I had radicle damage trying to get them out.

This year will be an experience for me with the tomato testing. I have the regular hybrids and a whole lot of heirlooms I haven't grown before. I think I have about 60 or better cultivars germinated and transplanted about 600 plants right now . My normal hybrids for market and the heirlooms for me and the folks I feed. I still have about as many or more types to get sown here in the next few days.

I'm hoping the orange ones will be sweet, but not so sickling sweet you can't stand it. When I get a chance I'll look through what I have in the orange and yellow colors for you. I think that will be a good breeding goal for you. Thumbs up I'm still trying to figure out if I am going to be brave enough to try and all green tomato. Whistling Hilarious!

Oh Poison! That sounds like it was a Black Racer. That what my B. R will do. Scares the bejeebies out of me especially when I am watering and it will jump up all crazy between the pots and pallets. They go all spaztic , crazy racing all over the place, flipping and such. My regular black snake just usually slithers away fast.

Thanks for the Carnation info. I sure hope I can get them going good this year. I think I am going to try some fans this year and see if that will keep them from burning up in the hottest part of summer.

Tcs.. How cute with what you did with your rain barrel. Big Grin Looks like you got some babies soon to be toddlers too. Look around the soil of your 4 o'clocks. I haven't had the hoppers eat mine here, but I have had the snalis and slugs do a number on them.

Apr 1, 2015 10:55 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity
I was looking for photos of my tomatoes and found this from some years ago... Just goes to show what my tomatoes have to put up with.

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Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: Lofthouse
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Apr 2, 2015 4:53 AM CST
Name: Terese
Leesburg, FL zone9b
Wisconsin Dells Area, zone4
Ella -- one morning I went out and my 4-O'cs were covered in the little grasshoppers. From what I've read, they eat just about anything -- my neighbor [she's a master gardener] told me they prefer plants that are 'bulbs' as they ate the foliage and the bulb of her Amaryllis. From what Sallie told me - the mother buries her eggs near their food source. When they hatch, there are at least 50 of them in a cluster.

The biggest problem is -- they have no natural enemies, as they are poisonous so nothing eats them. You can step on them and they are still moving an hour later.
Terese -- Leesburg, FL & Lake Delton, Wi
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Apr 2, 2015 6:38 AM CST
Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana
The grasshoppers liked my 4 o'clocks last year, too. The big difference is, my plants were already fully grown by the time they got here. Terese, any you do get going will winter over in ground though right?

I dug my tubers after they died back last year. I'm going to try replanting them again this year if they've stored okay.
Apr 2, 2015 8:18 AM CST
Name: Terese
Leesburg, FL zone9b
Wisconsin Dells Area, zone4
yes Chelle, the are perennials down here.. .and funny thing -- In IL [zone5] , i have some growing very close to my foundation... the come back every year. they must be huge tubers by now - I've had them about 8 yrs, and there are at least 6 - 8 of them that keep coming back... PLUS all the seeds that fell. I always say -- Once you have 4-O'Clocks, you will always have them... just like Morning Glories.

I did notice this morning on my "walk" -- the one that was chewed down to the nubs is still growing, no leaves yet, but the "sticks" are taller than yesterday.
Terese -- Leesburg, FL & Lake Delton, Wi
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Apr 2, 2015 10:42 AM CST
Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana
Hurray! I will like that about them. I don't mind pulling extras.

It's begun raining here, so my outdoor cleanup is over for the day. I'm about halfway through checking my wintersown seed containers, and I've found some lovely surprises! At least one of them (held over from 2014) will be a surprise for quite a while yet, as it's no longer marked with a name. At least I can tell by the container it's in that it's a rock garden type plant, so I have a good idea of how to care for it. Funny thing is, these pots from last year are what I'd consider completely dried out. Blinking I'm totally amazed to see things sprouting in them.

I'm really enjoying the diamond-chip sparkle of my baby Ice Plants, Alana. Thumbs up Thanks again!
Now that I know how to start them, I'm planning on doing a few more varieties.
Apr 2, 2015 4:47 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Pacific NorthWet Zone 8a

I've heard of frost on the pumpkin, but is that snow on your tomato seedling trays?

It's an aggressive breeding program!
Apr 2, 2015 5:09 PM CST
Name: Terese
Leesburg, FL zone9b
Wisconsin Dells Area, zone4
Joseph... those seedlings look tiny... did any get damaged from the hail?

Hail is one thing that is hard to protect a garden from.
Terese -- Leesburg, FL & Lake Delton, Wi
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Apr 2, 2015 5:12 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
Hang on folks, with your posts. I have anew thread coming up in just a second. This one is getting too long.
Big Grin
Apr 2, 2015 5:16 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
OK FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grab them babies and toddlers and jump on over to the new thread.

Don't forget to post or to mark as Watch thread so you don't get lost.

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