Cottage Gardening forum: Seeds are Sprouting .... Chat # 7

 
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Mindy03
Feb 19, 2015 8:09 AM CST
Name: Margaret
Delta KY
I'm A Charley's Girl For Sure
Good morning. We are fine here. Not sure what the temperature is as I didn't go out long enough to check it. But it is cold enough the dogs opted to potty at the edge of the porch and head back in. The cat was wanting fed then too. She has been waiting until noon to come for food so I suspect it's going to be colder by then. She has a bar. Full of hay to hide in until it warms up again.
My husband is checking the cattle and the neighbor's house. Thankfully the tractor has a cab and heater.
So far electricity and water are available still usually they both disappear at these temps.
Some accidents but no injuries in family. One in ditch due to not being able to get up the driveway no damage to car, one in ditch going to work as all medical personnel were to report to work didn't hear how his truck fared. Most are suffering serious cabin fever
ImageSorellina
Feb 19, 2015 9:15 AM CST
Name: Julianna
Victoria, BC USDA Zone 8
Well, it's -18C and with windchill, it's -29C but the university is open so Duane's at work. At least he was able to take the subway instead of his usual walk. I will take your advice, Chelle, and endeavour to be patient with my sowings. Whatever you say, Winter-sowing Yoda! Thumbs up I'm going to look for a junky table that can withstand Canadian tundra conditions to act as a wind and snow break for when I do put those tubs out there. I'd just as soon not have to shovel the snow off to check for germination if at all possible.

In the meantime, I'll just get everything ready to go. We still need to pick up another bag of vermiculite. I'm hoping to get that done this weekend. Duane's pepper babies have settled down in their cups now and most of them should make it. He had to transplant some really tiny ones because they were in the same cell as some larger ones. I know how that goes. I sow my eggplants 6 seeds per cell so I usually lose a couple in the potting up process.

Sorry to hear about your favas, Joseph. Were those the Crimson-Flowered Favas that I sent you? I'm going to grow mine out this year as well. I'm starting to get low on seed and it would be a fun one to list on SSE.
Grazie a tutti,
Julianna
Imagechelle
Feb 19, 2015 9:53 AM CST
Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana
Sorellina wrote:...Whatever you say, Winter-sowing Yoda! Thumbs up



Rolling on the floor laughing Too funny, Julianna! I've only been winter-sowing for a few years now...still a babe in the woods. Big Yellow Grin

The actual number of my containers that made it outdoors for long-term cold treatment this year are fairly few; toward half of the ones I'd slated for outdoors ended up germinating before they got there! Most of the penstemons are outside and battling it out though...

Imagejoseph
Feb 19, 2015 10:41 AM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity

The fava beans perked right up as soon as it got a little warmer... The crimson flowered are among them. A few plants overwintered in the soil of the greenhouse. They didn't wilt from the cold...
Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
poisondartfrog
Feb 19, 2015 12:22 PM CST
Name: Alana
Kentucky
The sun is shining so brightly. I taped my mirror back on temporarily and made it out of the driveway, went to the store and picked up a few things-very few in case I had to carry them up the driveway, stopped at the Post Office and just got back in. There are not many people out. I kind of liked that.
I thought about Ella's doughnuts while I was in the P.O. but my eggs and potatoes were on the seat where I left them when I got back in the truck. Smiling
Maybe we will all get back to normal soon.....
ImageArleneB
Feb 19, 2015 5:29 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
Good thing there weren't many people out or your eggs and potatoes might be gone too. Smiling glad you were able to make it out and back.
Imagestarlight1153
Feb 19, 2015 8:58 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Joseph Glad your beans made ok. Hope they survive tonight as it is supposed to be worse.

Arlene I was just thinking about you. news had said a lot of folks in Ga were without power and my server up by you and the puter is running slow. Glad to see you have power.

Since I had to run van to charge battery up I decided to head back to corner store and get me some more bread and donuts. I looked around at folks yard and saw a lot of damage to the plants and shrubs already. Figure tonight's temps will probably do them fully in.

Even the gardens filled with Collards took a beating last night. Some cool temps and a light frost is needed to really bring out the flavor, but the plants I all saw, had not only cold damage but wind damage too.

ImageArleneB
Feb 20, 2015 6:57 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
It was supposed to go down to 18 last night but only 24 here. Heater is GH is working great, keeping it around 42.

I did it! Dropped a vermiculite container of Rainmaster petunia seedlings! They are so tiny I'm not sure I'll be able to rescue many but at least I did get some potted up first.

I'm thinking I need to do the tiny seeds a different way than vermiculite. At least the easy ones. They are just stalled and very hard to pluck out. I did start some lobelia this way as well as the mini soil blocks. The mini soil block ones are doing really well, whereas the ones started in vermiculite and then potted up are still very tiny. Any suggestions?
Imagechelle
Feb 20, 2015 7:33 AM CST
Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana
ArleneB wrote:

I'm thinking I need to do the tiny seeds a different way than vermiculite. At least the easy ones. They are just stalled and very hard to pluck out. I did start some lobelia this way as well as the mini soil blocks. The mini soil block ones are doing really well, whereas the ones started in vermiculite and then potted up are still very tiny. Any suggestions?


How long has it been since the vermiculite seedlings were transplanted, Arlene? Was the new medium markedly different from the vermiculite (heavier, denser)? They might just need a bit more settling in and adjusting time.

Do you think it might have something to do with lower temps now than what you were able to maintain before? All but one variety of my seedlings seem to have slowed too, but I'm unable to raise our house temps much past the low 60's right now, so I'm figuring that has a lot to do with it.

I just potted up 2 dozen vermiculite-sown, itsy-bitsy campanula and gentiana seedlings yesterday, and I never could have done those successfully from typical growing medium. The Summer Jewel salvias seem to be waiting for warmth to return, but those Blue Angel salvias never even broke stride during the cool-down and transplanting process. Lovey dubby
ImageArleneB
Feb 20, 2015 7:46 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
Chelle, after I posted I thought about it and yes, I forgot, the other lobelia are in the GH so they are getting low 40's at night time. The potting medium has a lot of perlite but is heavier than the vermiculite. Also, my GH is packed full so a lot of seedlings are not getting full sun all day and the lobelia in soil blocks are under lights. I think I may be a bit impatient here.

I don't mind potting up teeny, tiny seedlings since I like to get them moved as soon as possible. It just seems like they are really stalled. Of course, our house is low 60s too and we have had a lot colder temps this year so that may have something to do with it. Or maybe just the fact that I sowed way too many! My mother gave me some petunia seeds she saved and I just threw them all in. It looked like moss when they came up it was so dense! Duh! Gonna try and just scoop a bunch and gently lay them on top of some potting mix.

Seems like every year I do something stupid when it comes to seed starting. Of course, some years I get it right too, so I'll take those and learn from the mistakes.

I have a corkscrew vine (vigna caracalla) seedling! Hurray!
Imagechelle
Feb 20, 2015 7:51 AM CST
Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana
Figuring out the differences is what keeps it interesting. Thumbs up

Congrats on your corkscrew vine! Hurray!
Imagestarlight1153
Feb 20, 2015 8:38 AM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Morning from the chilly South. Boy is it cold. We got lucky with a few clouds that rolled in last night, so instead of single digits, I woke up to 22F. I'll take it beats 1F any day. Sun's trying to shine a bit, but clouds may hold it back.

I feel so bad for the Northern folks. Wat to much cold and snow and the worse, all that ice.

I had checked and looks like Andi last posted on Feb 8th. I hope she got her landlord to fix her pipes and her heaters and such. If not I hope her and Winston are in a warming shelter somewhere.

Haven't seen Wildflower or Patrob in a while either. Worried about them too. So many folks to worry about and all we can is hope that they are safe and warm and that when this all passes that they won't have any damage to their homes either. Besides hoping folks are safe and warm, just hope are safe from all them accidents I been seeing on the roads.

I see even our Texas folks feeling this weather too. It's strange because you really don't think of Texas as getting snow or cold I guess cuz it so close to the border.

Hopefully winter will pass soon and than we can be complaining about too much heat, lack of rain for our plants and the bugs that are sure to try and come.

Arlene Sorry to hear about the mishap with your babies. I've dumped many a tray in my time. You look at your babies all over the ground and go, "Oh NO!!!!!!!!!" and hope you can try and rescue them somehow.

This weather is hard on the seedlings now and Chelle right. Them seedlings been in a warm spot, now they in a chillier one and those transplanted, well, most plants go into to shock for a week or two. They have to get used to their new environment and they will put their energy into making new feeder roots to adjust to the new medium before trying to worry about foliage growth.

Congrats on your Corkscrew Vine. Usually they are very hard to germinate. Good job! Hurray!

Tcs You need some more MG seeds since yours got gobbled up? You wouldn't that would be something bunnies would like.





ImageSorellina
Feb 20, 2015 11:51 AM CST
Name: Julianna
Victoria, BC USDA Zone 8
Wow, corkscrew vine - I've heard that's one of the hardest things to try to grow from seed and almost as hard to save seed from. I've seen the seeds listed at some crazy prices and you only get a couple. Good work, Arlene!!
Grazie a tutti,
Julianna
Imagejoseph
Feb 20, 2015 1:16 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity

Around here the winter has been as mild as can be. It felt a bit chilly at noon today. It was 43 F and windy. I still went on a tour of the yard in a shirt... Albeit a thermal shirt. I found these in the yard today:

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I'm currently harvesting and eating these:

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Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
Imagestarlight1153
Feb 20, 2015 1:43 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Wanna trade weather Joseph? I am barely hitting 27F now and it is 2:30. We're going to set records for a low not only for this morning, but for the day too.

Thanks for the pics. Nice to see some green and some color. Makes ya smile. Big Grin
What is the plant in the second pic with the yellow blooms?

Also I have a question for you. I am finally getting around to starting some of your early slicing tomato seeds. With waiting to start things since the weather been so crazy and bad, I thought I would give them a try as our seasons are short here too once the heat comes on.

Those were all landrace tomatoes weren't they. If they are, I should have a lot of surprises right? Since you harvested those seeds have you planted out any of the seeds you saved and did you get any surprises or were they pretty much like the ones you saved seed from?
barbara00
Feb 20, 2015 3:02 PM CST
Name: barbara
maryland
Star yes I hope they don't heave, hadn't Thot of that! All the wintersowed seeds are tucked in under a blanket of snow, I'm ready to see some green now!
Imagejoseph
Feb 20, 2015 3:39 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity
The yellow flowers are crocus. It was cold and early when I took the photo so they hadn't opened up for they day.

Star: I didn't write down what tomatoes I sent you on my outgoing database list, so I'll wing it on an answer...

If you have "Landrace Tomatoes, All Kinds", they will be cherry tomatoes, and paste tomatoes, and slicing tomatoes. Most of them will be red, but there are some yellows and oranges as well. These often surprise me, because they might contain seed from several years, and I forget what I've grown, and there are some hybrids segregating out. This group also puts out many types of tomatoes each year that look just like they did when I first grew them. Maximum size is similar to a softball. Smallest size is about like a lagging marble. I don't keep the smallest tomatoes for seed, and giant tomatoes don't mature for me. The vines might be anywhere from dwarf to giant, but they tend heavily towards being medium sized determinate plants with medium sized fruits.

If you have "Landrace Tomatoes, Slicers 2014", they will be red, and about the size of a softball, and determinate. Seed companies would call them about 60 DTM. They are genetically diverse, so there will be different vine shapes, and leaf shapes, but the vines max out at about 18" to 24" long in my garden. Earlier year's "slicing tomatoes" had more diversity in them. During 2014 I selected more carefully.

My earliest tomatoes are Ot'Jagodka. Based on how they grow, I have to call them a developing landrace. They are descended from Jagodka, in an environment with heavy pollinator pressure, so other genetics are being incorporated into them, and it shows in how they grow. Jagodka is a Russian word meaning "berry", and "ot" is the Russian word for "Descended From", so I tack "Ot" onto the beginning of the name to acknowledge where they came from.





Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
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Imagewildflowers
Feb 21, 2015 8:04 AM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
I'm here. Smiling My computer has been spotty lately but all is well. Freezing rain and snow is on the way.

Lots of little sprouts are showing up, some wintersown outside and some inside. Hurray!

The other day we put down clover seeds, lots of them in my cottage garden. It's my latest effort to snuff out the Bermuda grass that has taken over! I've tried so many things!!! Grumbling If there was one plant I'd like to get rid of, Bermuda grass is the one!!! Grumbling I'm very optimistic about it!! Last year we had some areas where we let the Crimson clover grow and flower and it snuffed out everything else that was there.

FAITH over fear!

Imagestarlight1153
Feb 21, 2015 8:15 AM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Yes... Yes.. Yes... The sun is starting to peak through the colds. It's cold , but thankfully not bitter cold.

I'm hoping the winds have died down. I want to go out and do some more burning before the trees leaf out and the temps do get warm. I sure don't feel like stepping on an unsuspecting snake and they are moving again. They need to move right on out of my area to somebody else's except for my good ones.

How's things coming along folks? Anybody else got some babies popping up?


Joseph Pretty Crocus. All I see around here are the purple ones. Only real thing I have seen blooming so far is Paper Whites.

The label on the package just said early slicing. I think the early slicing tomatoes I have from you are from either 2012 or 2013. I'm just now getting to sowing them. Last year weather was way.. way to bad. I lost enough as it was, I wasn't going to lose more. It will be interesting to see how your seeds do here and what is produced.

Don't worry, if I should find a spiter, I'll send it back to you. Rolling on the floor laughing

Imagestarlight1153
Feb 21, 2015 8:21 AM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Wild Glad to see ya and know your ok.

Bermuda is a pain. Darn near hard to get rid of. Unfortunately it is the main grass grown by everybody here. For years I will go through and dig up and have somebody till the ground for me and even with raking and getting down on hands and knees and trying to sift through the soil for very tiny piece of root and still have the stuff come back up. Nutsedge is another pain in the rump grass too.

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