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plantnutz
Apr 12, 2015 12:19 PM CST
Name: Brenda
7b
Do you need to do anything special for the cerinthe to germinate? I winter sowed some in January and they haven't done anything yet. I still have seeds and I so want to grow some of these this year. Do I need to soak, scrape or be more patient? Most of the things I winter sowed in March have shown up but the January things have been slower. Although I do have some baby hostas and yellow toad lilies that have emerged recently.

Thanks,
Brenda
ImageRedLeopard
Apr 12, 2015 4:30 PM CST
Name: Ron
Naples, FL
I didn't cold stratify my Cerinthe. Just soaked them overnight in plain tap water then sowed them covered about 1/4" with dirt. They sprouted in just a few days.
plantnutz
Apr 12, 2015 4:46 PM CST
Name: Brenda
7b
Thanks Ron! I will soak them tonight.
ImageDanita
Apr 12, 2015 4:55 PM CST
Name: Danita
GA Zone 7b/8
I'm pretty sure that it was here that I saw people discussing Teucrium marum (Kitty Crack.) I went to the Plantapalooza sale and they had some for sale. I no longer have cats so I don't really know why but I bought one just because I remembered it being discussed excitedly. I know cats like it, but to me it stinks! Sticking tongue out Does anyone have any experience growing it?
Mindy03
Apr 12, 2015 6:17 PM CST
Name: Margaret
Delta KY
I'm A Charley's Girl For Sure
Ok I'm about to pull my hair out. I have searched all over the place locally for the culinary lemon grass. Zero luck in two cities. None to be found in nurseries nor in grocery stores.
Online I found it at Johnnys but I really don't want 12 plants which is the minimum offered.

So does anyone know where I can get two plants?
This is one of the last two herbs I'm wanting for my herb garden.
The other one is true tarragon which I've not seached for online yet.


Imagechristine00
Apr 12, 2015 8:34 PM CST
Name: christine
kentucky
lowes has the lemon grass sometimes
Mindy03
Apr 12, 2015 8:49 PM CST
Name: Margaret
Delta KY
I'm A Charley's Girl For Sure
Not here they don't. I checked them thre times.
Went to two Amish nurseries and none there either.
Weedwhacker
Apr 12, 2015 8:55 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Michigan UP (Zone 4b or 5a)
Danita wrote:I'm pretty sure that it was here that I saw people discussing Teucrium marum (Kitty Crack.) I went to the Plantapalooza sale and they had some for sale. I no longer have cats so I don't really know why but I bought one just because I remembered it being discussed excitedly. I know cats like it, but to me it stinks! Sticking tongue out Does anyone have any experience growing it?


LOL, Danita -- EricaBraun found some seeds and shared with me, I haven't started them yet but sounds like it could be interesting!!
"I am still learning"~~ Michelangelo
National Gardening Association
ImageDanita
Apr 12, 2015 9:35 PM CST
Name: Danita
GA Zone 7b/8
Mindy,
Check this video out (it's too long and needs editing, but the info will be helpful.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vewoypnijlQ

Sandy,
Ah, thank you, now I know who to blame! Hilarious!
My grandmother has cats so maybe I'll test it on them. Big Grin
If nothing else, the flowers look cute in the photos I've seen.
Imagewildflowers
Apr 12, 2015 10:06 PM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
I have a cat who would probably love some kitty crack. I didn't realize it is a different plant than catnip until I saw that same conversation here... somewhere. It is somewhere on my pre-wishlist Hilarious! In the meantime, he gets an occasional dose of catnip which makes him very crazy. With five German Shepherd dogs to contend with, he's a bit crazy already. A little catinp and the dogs don't dare walk past the cat. Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

Mindy, I saw lemongrass somewhere. I'm thinking it was one of the online vendors I use. Let me check and get back w/y.
FAITH over fear!

Imagewildflowers
Apr 12, 2015 10:16 PM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
Mindy03, here's a place that has lemongrass plants for sale. It's the vendor I was thining of. I've used them many times over the years and (obviously) do recommend them. Thumbs up
http://companionplants.com/catalog/product_info.php?products...
FAITH over fear!

plantnutz
Apr 13, 2015 7:20 AM CST
Name: Brenda
7b
RedLeopard, I soaked three cerinthe seed. One sunk and two floated. Are the floaters bad or should I plant them all?

Thanks,
Brenda

Weedwhacker
Apr 13, 2015 7:22 AM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Michigan UP (Zone 4b or 5a)
Christine, thanks for sharing that website -- looks like a good source! (I see they have the Teucrium marum and say this about it: "The leaves are extremely pungent; inhaling crushed leaves will bring tears to your eyes." Hilarious! )
"I am still learning"~~ Michelangelo
National Gardening Association
ImageRedLeopard
Apr 13, 2015 7:58 AM CST
Name: Ron
Naples, FL
Brenda, I'd go ahead and plant all three. 99.99% probability, I think, that only the one will sprout, but as Star mentioned, sometimes good seed will float. I don't think that is very often true for a thick, dense seed like these Cerinthe, where good seed typically sink. But just in case...

I wouldn't give them their own pot, just plant them at the edge of the pot with the one. If by chance one or both do sprout, they transplant easily.

Imagewildflowers
Apr 13, 2015 11:45 AM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
Sandy, glad you like the link. They have a really good variety of hard to find herbs, many medicinals and plants that are impossible to grow from seed; like French tarragon. Hmmm. kitty crack is getting more tempting! Hilarious!
FAITH over fear!

Imagestarlight1153
Apr 13, 2015 2:26 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Brenda I agree with Red. I would plant them all. To me, the main reason for soaking is to get moisture back into the seeds and get the dormant embryo to kick in and start germinating. Some seeds will absorb the water faster weighing it down and causing it to sink.

Sinkers I don't let soak very long as the seed can drown itself. Now if I have only a few seeds of something and I have seeds floating and some sinking, I will take the sinkers out and plant and dig the floaters out and look for the tiny spot where the seed was attached and give it a gentle little filing with an emery board and soak again in some water and hydrogen peroxide. Some times a seed when picked or emptied out of a pod will still have part of that pod membrane attached to it and it blacks the water from being able to be absorbed. Some seeds need several changes of hot water to get them going and several days.

These are some Okra seeds I soaked the other day overnight in water and hydrogen peroxide. You can see if you look close all the tiny white radicle emerging. All but one or two were floaters.

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Joseph I took those Okra seeds and planted them into individual 3" pots, covered with a piece of plastic for two days , removed and had in small gh and this what they looked like 3 days later. If I didn't soak and use the hydrogen peroxide I'd still be waiting on seeds to pop. These are the Hitter Okra.

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Danita Thanks for the information. I have a bunch right now in the sick bay. Maybe the ones where the tops aren't mangled to bad I can root. That sure would be nice. If it was hybrids I wouldn't worry about them, but these guys are heirlooms and I only had a few seeds of each kind to try and grow and save seed from for this year.
Weedwhacker
Apr 13, 2015 3:26 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Michigan UP (Zone 4b or 5a)
Star -- or anyone else that uses the hydrogen peroxide/water soaking -- I need to get my gourd seeds that I got from Critterologist started, especially the Lagenaria types, and since these are older seeds I was thinking of using the H2O2. Does this sound like a bad idea for any reason? How long to soak -- just overnight, or until the radicles start to show? Any other advice, anyone??
"I am still learning"~~ Michelangelo
National Gardening Association
Imagejoseph
Apr 13, 2015 5:29 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity

Lagenaria squash are notorious for poor germination.

When I tested pre-soaking watermelon seeds. 42 hours soaking in plain water at 80 degreess seriously hampered germination. 30 hours of soaking was OK. All bets are off with hydrogen peroxide in the water... I think it would prevent the seeds from drowning so easily.

Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
Weedwhacker
Apr 13, 2015 7:10 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Michigan UP (Zone 4b or 5a)
"Lagenaria squash are notorious for poor germination."

Well, at least it's not just me, then...

Thanks for that info, Joseph -- there are quite a few seeds, so I'll just try a few different ways and see what happens.
"I am still learning"~~ Michelangelo
National Gardening Association
Imagestarlight1153
Apr 14, 2015 5:58 AM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Sandy Since they are older seed I would try a few seeds different ways.

I would soak for more than 24-30 hours for sure.

I would do like 3 seeds in a little 3" pot and cover with a piece of plastic and put out where it will get some light and warmth, but not burning sun rays. and leave on til you seed them starting to germinate. Don't have the soil too wet, just moist. I had seed rot on me from having the soil too wet thinking it would help with germination. The outsides looked good , but opening a couple up the insides had turned to mush. It takes longer for the seeds to pop this way, so be patient.

Soak a few in just warm water before going to bed and sow next morning

Soak a few in H202 in warm water at bedtime and plant next morning.



Soak a few overnight in warm water with just a teeny tiny bit of MG. There are alot of folks who will use a tiny bit of the blue Mg in the water to help wake up older seeds. They have had it work on seed 5-20 years old and swear by this method.

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