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Imagestarlight1153
Dec 9, 2015 12:49 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
We came from here http://cubits.org/ellasgarden/thread/view/82019/.

Winter is coming upon us, but that doesn't stop a gardener. There is still plenty to do. Sort seeds, get ground and beds for next year prepared, spend hours looking through the new year's catalogs and dreams of spring.

Feel free to read along or join in . Don't be shy. Just make yourself right to home.

Imagestarlight1153
Dec 9, 2015 12:57 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
I made this new thread, but Arlene was asking about the Chocolate Cosmos seeds.

"I am not doing any seed swaps this year but I did save a lot of seeds. Just finishing up sorting them and it got me wondering, does anyone who grew the Chocolate Cosmos from Jonna last year have seeds and would someone be willing to swap for some since I missed out on them last year?"


I copied it above so it wouldn't get lost and folks would see it.
Imagewildflowers
Dec 9, 2015 1:38 PM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
Hi star, nice to see you post. Hope all is well. I do have some dreamy catalogs to look through, too many of them. Smiling

I'm very sad to say my chocolate cosmos didn't make it. They started out okay and later struggled in the heat, I tried to coddle them and even tried moving them a couple of times (in a huge pot) hoping to find a place that they would like but they finally dropped!! Sad On a good note, I saved two seeds so(w) I can try again next year.

I hope someone did better with the chocolate cosmos.

Imagejoseph
Dec 9, 2015 6:32 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity

I'm learning how to grow garlic seed. I harvested 44 seeds this year! I'm intending to wintersow them in the
next few days.

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Yesterday I threshed and sieved carrot and fennel seed. I did a crude winnowing. I'm wanting to do a more thorough winnowing in the next couple days.
Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
ImageArleneB
Dec 9, 2015 8:14 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
Ella, thank you for copying my post. And thank you Linda for responding. Maybe if you get seeds next summer you could save me a couple? Hopefully I have something you are interested in too.

Joseph, the garlic from seed is interesting. I'll be interested in your progress on that. I know what you mean about the winnowing. I have a stalk of lettuce seed to clean yet and I have been putting it off cause it's a bite to winnow. Still has the fluffies on it.
Weedwhacker
Dec 9, 2015 8:54 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Michigan UP (Zone 4b or 5a)
Good to see you posting, Ella -- I hope all is well!

Joseph -- what type of garlic did your seeds come from? My Music garlic (a porcelain type) produces seed heads (but, frankly, those little black seeds don't look like those seeds), while other hardnecks produce "bulbils"). So ... inquiring minds need to know! Smiling Ears perked up!
"I am still learning"~~ Michelangelo
National Gardening Association
Imagejoseph
Dec 9, 2015 10:31 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity
I planted about 40 varieties of common garlic. Some of them came out of the USSR. Very few of them produced seeds, so I culled most of them.

One variety that produces seeds somewhat reliably for me is PI540319. It's one of the Soviet varieties.

Another variety that I isolated this year is the seediest garlic that I ever grew. It produced about 6 seeds per flower stalk. Wow!!!!

Details at:

http://garden.lofthouse.com/true-garlic-seed.phtml
http://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/landrace-ga...
http://alanbishop.proboards.com/thread/5471?page=7

This is what the seeds turn into after one year:

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We remove bulbils to allow space and nutrients for the flowers. This is what that looks like after bulbil removal.

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And if we are lucky then a few seeds are formed...


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Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
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Imagejoseph
Dec 10, 2015 10:56 AM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity

A friend sent me seed from a cowpea landrace that she is starting. Wow. Maybe there will be enough diversity in it for something to thrive for me. I have a strain of blackeyed peas that I got from the Hoggy swap a few years ago that are locally adapted enough to produce seed reliably for me.

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Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
Imagestarlight1153
Dec 10, 2015 12:12 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Morning! Can't believe I managed to get to library two days in a row. Had to come to town to get finger and foot checked. Burned the snarf out of my finger and than about a week and a half ago was doing one of my coffee cravings at 3 in the morning and don't know what happened but one minute I wasw up the next flat across the kitchen floor. Didn't break my coffee cup but dumped it all, which made me mad cuz I had a mess to clean up. Went to get up and realized one of my toes was all twisted funny and backwards. Broke a toe and bruised the heck out of my foot. Freaked me out so bad I twisted it right and squished it back into place. Glad I did or I probably would have sat there in worse pain til a neighbor would get up. I can't believe the case of clumsies I have had lately. I guess balance is off cuz of head, but it is getting better bit by bit thankfully.

Just popping in quick to see how Patti and Corey were doing and hoping that they didn't get washed away in that flood mess out west that going on where they are at. Patti and Corey... Hope ya both are safe and sound. Heard ya got worse coming today and tommorrow at ya.

Arlene Won't be right away, but because of the icky weather we had here I didn't plant my Choco Cosmos seeds. With the weather being so bad here and plants croaking left and right I figured I had better wait for this year. I'll look and when I find them, I'll send the ones that Jonna sent me to you. Don't remember if it was 3 or 4 seeds she sent, but whatever the amount, I'll send them to you and maybe you'll have good luck with them and if you do, then I'll get some back from ya. Big Grin

Joseph Fantastic on getting the seeds. Hurray! Always a time to do a happy dance when you finally get some results from years of patient experimentation. I have to laugh everytime I read about orange skin. I been eating alot of sweet potatoes lately, working on getting healthy, trying to anyways and I laugh and wonder if today is the day I eat them and my skin has an orange glow. Whistling Hilarious!

Now I don't know whether this is true or not as I have not researched it yet, but I heard from a friend that sweet potatoes, a certain type are loaded with estrogen, which would be good for women who need that type of thing and don't want to do pills. Anybody else heard of such a thing?

Almost getting to be time to check the lights and get pepper and tomato seeds started. I just wonder if we gonna have a mild winter or a bitter , late, long cold one. I can't remember the last time it was this warm at this time of the season. Anybody got an Almanac that says what is coming for the next few months?

What plant or veggie is everybody most interested in for growing this coming year? I'm just starting to look, so I'm not sure just yet.



Imagejoseph
Dec 10, 2015 12:44 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity

I intend to follow my usual pattern and plant mostly beans, corn, and squash.

I've been working the last few years on creating sister-lines of some of my crops. For example, the butternut/moschata squash has been divided into small, medium, and extra large. I'm also working on a trombocino (extra long necked) moschata squash, and a fig-leaved moschata squash, and a maple-leaved moschata squash, and a bush-type butternut squash.

I attempted to make, and may have discovered some interspecies crosses between mixta squash and moschata squash. I'm hyper excited about those.

I'm working on adding new colors (pink & grey-green) to my buttercup landrace. I want to make a small maxima winter-squash line, but I blew the selection process this fall by selecting larger (~15#) fruits. Oh well. I'll scrounge to see what I can come up with.

Lagenaria squash are finally growing well for me. They don't sell well here, but I'm intending to grow a zucchini type anyway. I don't like putting all my hopes on a single species. So I aim to grow 5 species of squash well. If something takes out one or two of them, then perhaps some of the others will survive.

I grew about 2 quarts of fennel seed this summer. I suppose that I'll grow fennel for the farmer's market.

I'm intending to grow about 150 okra plants this summer. They seem to be doing well enough to devote a big space to them. I'll definitely pick wearing long sleeves, long pants, and gloves!!!

I'm moving my tomatoes closer every year to promiscuous pollination. I made excellent progress this year. Didn't get the crosses made that I would have liked. But some of the crosses from the previous year were perfect for me.

I have a high carotene sweet corn ready to plant in large quantity this spring!!! I guess that I want to be orange. I really like the taste of beta carotene in my food!!!

I don't remember is I already showed this photo, but this is my target color for butternut squash. I select against yellow and towards orange.

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The watermelons are finally where I'd like them to be, so I expect to plant them in large quantity.

I grew lots of carrot seed this summer, so I expect that I'll plant a lot of carrots.

People at market have started calling me a medicine man, so I'm intending to grow more medicinal herbs and foods.
Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
Imagewildflowers
Dec 10, 2015 2:00 PM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
That is very interesing, Joseph. I'll have to look for garlic seeds to save. Also interesting about the squash cross species. I've been wondering if that was a possibility. Wow is that a deep orange squash! Thumbs up

Arleen, I'll have to search for those two seeds and send them to you too.
ImageArleneB
Dec 10, 2015 2:48 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
It's so good to hear from you Ella!! We have been missing our fearless leader. So sorry to hear about the burn and the broken toe. Glad to hear the head is doing better. Hooray for no broken coffee cup. Don't know if you're like me, but I have favorite cups and I broke my most favorite one this summer. Totally missed the table outside on concrete when I went to set it down. My granddaughter said, "Don't worry Grandma, you can glue things back together." Only this one broke to smithereens so no gluing it back together.

So sweet of you to offer the Chocolate cosmos for me to grow Ella and Christine! That really puts the pressure on me. Hilarious! I think I am up for the task. Hopefully I'll have better luck than I did with my corkscrew vine seeds. I had over thirty pods but they just didn't mature before a hard frost killed the plant. I picked them and let them dry. One split open but I'm pretty sure the seeds are not mature. They'll get planted though. I checked online to get seeds. Holy Toledo! Expensive and hard to find. I cut a few pieces of the vine the other day. It was still green inside so I am trying to root them. Fingers crossed.

Joseph, that is a beautiful orange squash. I think that is exciting about orange corn!!! I'm not real sure how beta carotene tastes though, although I do love carrots. You are so busy and productive. I am just finishing getting all my collected seeds packaged. We have a whirlwind end of year here so I won't be getting much more done inside. I did clean up my seed planting room though so I am ready to start seeds come January. I have to give a presentation at our garden club on seed starting in Jan. too.

We are taking advantage of this warm weather here (high 60s, 70s) to get the garden rows prepared for spring. I have never had the time to do that before and I am hoping it will make planting the garden a lot smoother and faster this year. And earlier! Oh, we're pretty sure we are going to do market again this summer. David just loves doing it and I do get excited this time of year planning what to plant. So, I am going to start seeds with that in mind right now.

We are still getting produce from our covered row. Today I picked a cauliflower, cabbage and carrots. Everything is growing slowly, but growing. I have brussels sprouts that probably won't mature but they sure look good. Lots of purple sprouting broccoli for spring too. And carrots! Holy cow I planted them way too thick. I am going to try and transplant some later. Nothing to lose but my time if it doesn't work. I have done it successfully before but it's very time consuming.

This year we are going to do an entire row of the Steakhouse tomato (20 plants) because they were the biggest, tastiest, and most productive tomato we had. I have four plants in the GH I will take cuttings from to keep making more plants. I still have more seeds but I want to use the plants as much as I can. We are doing fewer peppers. Even though we had a bumper crop, they were too late to sell because we quit going to market the end of July and the peppers were just starting to come in and I got stuck with tubs and tubs of peppers. My freezer is full and we gave away as many as we could. For us, early crops like lettuce, broccoli, cabbage and cauliflower are good with tomatoes being our biggest hit later, as well as the cut flowers.

Ella, I have never heard of sweet potatoes containing estrogen. If so, the men would want to eat sparingly I would think! Big Yellow Grin
Imagewildflowers
Dec 10, 2015 4:58 PM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
I like the idea of growing the best tomatoes but I also like trying new ones, which is okay since we don't do the market thing although my grandson keeps talking about he thinks it would be a good idea... maybe when he turns 18 he can come up here and do that. Hilarious!

Arlene, I love brussel's sprouts but just can't seem to get them to grow well for me here but you must be about the same zone? Is there a certain variety you are growing?

Ella, I have heard of some kind of sweet potato or maybe a yam that has estrogen. I'll have to check into that because I think they make a cream from it that is sold in healthfood stores. supposedly you can rub the cream on and it penetrates. Shrug!

Imagegreene
Dec 10, 2015 9:24 PM CST
Name: greene
Savannah, Georgia, USA
Just popped in to say hello.
Wild Yam (Dioscorea Villosa) is one that is used medicinally and has estrogen.
Imagejoseph
Dec 10, 2015 11:10 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity

ArleneB

Here's what the high carotene corn looks like compared to a cob of regular sweet corn.

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Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
ImageArleneB
Dec 11, 2015 7:37 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
Very nice Joseph.

Brussels sprouts. Hmm, I only plant in late summer. I was late this year. I got my seeds from Johnny's, Nelson and Churchill. I've only been planting them a few years.
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plantnutz
Dec 11, 2015 7:52 AM CST
Name: Brenda
7b
Arlene and Ella, I'm curious about the chocolate cosmos seed. I had always heard they were sterile so please be sure to share your growing results.

I checked watch the thread but unless I post, I don't get to follow it. Am I doing something wrong?
ImageArleneB
Dec 11, 2015 8:30 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
Brenda, these particular cosmos are not sterile and Jonna gave a few seeds for others to grow and be able to share seeds to keep them going.

Not sure what's happening for watching the thread. You should be seeing it if you are following even without posting.
Imagewildflowers
Dec 11, 2015 11:51 AM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
Yes, greene, that's the one. Thumbs up Wild Yam-Dioscorea Villosa

Jonna was able to get a hold of a small amount of fertile Chocolate Cosmos seed that she shared with some of us last year. She was hoping we could grow them out and then share the seeds.

plantnutz
Dec 11, 2015 2:09 PM CST
Name: Brenda
7b
Very cool on the cosmos seed! I had a chocolate cosmos once and it was lovely but I guess I didn't care for it properly and I lost it.

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