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Imagejoseph
Feb 8, 2016 11:50 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity
I started planting today!

Put some early spring crops into the greenhouse: garlic, Egyptian onions, favas, storage onions. The greenhouse has stayed at about freezing most of the winter, and the weather is expected to be sunny for ten days or more. And it's only about 5 weeks till the snow melts and I can plant the favas out. I grow transplants so that they can beat the summer heat.

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ImageArleneB
Feb 9, 2016 7:09 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
I finally gave up on favas here. We were going to plant out our lettuce and brassica late this week but are going to wait until early next week because there are some really cold nights coming.

My peppers are germinating but this is the first year I am waiting to plant my tomatoes. Well, the bulk of them. I did already start Steakhouse, Porterhouse and Jagodka. They have already been potted up the first time.

Today I need to pot up snapdragons and petunias. I would like to hold off on the brassica but the are getting tall and starting to lie over. I started them in soil blocks.

Imagestarlight1153
Feb 10, 2016 2:54 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
I am freezing!!!!!!!!!! Brrrrrrrrrrrr. Was bitter cold yesterday. Never got out of the 20's with the wind chill and more of the same today and tomorrow too. I have been hibernating under the covers. I would make a good bear during the winter. Shivered myself silly last night and most of this morning even with tons of clothes on and three quilts only to discover that I had forgotten to turn the dial up on the heater. My bad.

If it wasn't so super windy I would go out, rake more leaves and start a fire to stay toasty for a bit.

I was all set to get stuff started until this arctic blast came down. Now I am waiting probably til next week. Making the tags for things so at least that will be done and ready.

Aggggg the number of adult size flat-footed bugs I have found hiding under the leaves as I rake as been terrible. I didn't find but a few on my crops last year, but looks like I am going to have to keep eyes peeled this year. At least the cold has them slow moving and makes it easy to squish them. Amazing when you have your nose to the ground what life forms you can find. Mostly bad ones. Hopefully what I have missed the birds or other beneficials will find and have dinner. Nasty..nasty bugs just waiting for the warm weather and fresh green sprouts to munch on. Grumbling

Joseph HAve a question for you. I have my one huge patch of prickly pear cactus that I just let grow and grow. Now I have some smaller patches spread around that I need to dig up. Some of the patches are about 3' wide. Is there an easy way to remove them without getting a thousand and one stickers into myself? These pop patches have to go. They are where tomatoes and peppers are being expanded out into.

Just a note... I'll be growing some of your Jagoda tomatoes this year. From what I have read around, those folks who gave them a try really enjoyed them. Big Grin

Arlene You ahead of me for sure. Normally I have the kitchen table and counters covered with seed trays to start peppers, but been to cold in that area to try. You just going to grow for you or are you going to try and go to market some this year?

I done forgot when I was told to start beets. Anybody know can I start them inside and transplant out?




ImageArleneB
Feb 10, 2016 5:14 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
A lot of my pepper seeds are older so I am having slow or poor germination. We won't sell the plants at market, just the peppers. I started beets last week. I was hoping to plant out this weekend but no I'll have to hold them another week. When we do put them out I will have to cover them.

It is freezing here too! Actually saw snowflakes yesterday!
Imagejoseph
Feb 10, 2016 11:13 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity
starlight1153 wrote:Joseph Have a question for you. I have my one huge patch of prickly pear cactus that I just let grow and grow. Now I have some smaller patches spread around that I need to dig up. Some of the patches are about 3' wide. Is there an easy way to remove them without getting a thousand and one stickers into myself?


Hire a kid to remove them!!!!

All kidding aside though, hire a kid to remove them...

Bwah, ha, ha...

I typically prune my cactus with a pair of long-handled loppers. And I use the lopers or a pair of metal tongs from the kitchen to pick up each pad. And I wear dense leather gloves. And I work very methodically and deliberately. And I still get spines into myself. Typically on my belly. I suppose that I could wear some type of vest... Then as soon as I come into the house, every article of clothing I was wearing goes directly into the washing machine, and no other clothing gets added. And then I take a shower. Then I dry off and pick out spines.

One of those shovels which is like a pair of tweezers might work well. I suppose that if I was totally removing a clump that a shovel might work fine.. Chop the clump up into pieces small enough to pick up with the shovel...

Here's what some of my cactus looked like this morning.

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Still cold here, but I'm expecting to plant peas outside in about 5 weeks.

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One of the projects I'm expecting to work on this growing season is to select for a long-necked squash that grows more reliably around here. Here's the parents that I'm working with.

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Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
Imagejoseph
Feb 10, 2016 11:19 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity
starlight1153 wrote:I done forgot when I was told to start beets. Anybody know can I start them inside and transplant out?


I would think that transplanting beets would mess up the root and prevent the root from forming properly.

I plant beet seeds about the time that the apricots are flowering. Definitely by the time the apples flower.



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ImageArleneB
Feb 11, 2016 7:51 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
I never would have thought that you could transplant beets, or carrots for that matter, but you can. Tedious though. Not sure if it's worth it.
Deebie
Feb 11, 2016 9:07 AM CST
Name: Deborah
Orangeburg, SC Zone 8a
Don't Sweat the Small Stuff!
Hi, Everybody. Ella, it's great to have you back. I hope that you continue to make progress with your health.

Patrob, hoping you get some relief with your new meds.

I've been under the weather and having all sorts of life (family) drama. Will it ever end? I need to get back to gardening. I feel like I keep starting over and over. I didn't get any seeds planted in the fall like I wanted to do. It was just too hot for so long. On top of it all, I find out that the reason I've been feeling so bad for months on end is that I had an acute case of asthma. It got so bad that when I wound up in Urgent Care in September, the Dr. there felt sure that I had COPD. I was devastated. But the lung specialist said that it's severe asthma and that it's going to take months to clear up. So, I'm puffing away on my inhalers, and feeling better along the way. I actually spent a few minutes outside without my asthma flaring up the last couple of days. Thumbs up It's freezing cold out right now. So, I'm working on spring cleaning and caring for my houseplants.

Now, I want to grow things. I need to find out what seeds needs cold strat, so that i can get them sowed first. I'll probably WS come things. I've got a lot of cleaning up to do, as my yard went to pots because I wasn't able to do any gardening. I want to grow a few tomatoes and peppers this year. I'll start some other types, but let a friend of mine grow them out. I'll do the harvesting. Rolling on the floor laughing I can hardly wait for spring, so I can get out and play in the dirt. Hoping everyone has a great gardening year.
Imagewildflowers
Feb 11, 2016 12:56 PM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
Hi Deebie, Arlene and all you other piggies out there!

Beautiful snow picture, Joseph.

Transplanting root vegetables is a tricky one! I guess if you were to transplant in the soil, without disturbing the root, you could be successful.

I think I probably showed these pics before, when the chickens had dug up my carrot seedlings and I tried to transplant.
Heres' what I ended up with. Rolling on the floor laughing

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FAITH over fear!

Imagestarlight1153
Feb 12, 2016 7:35 AM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Quoting:Hire a kid to remove them!!!!

All kidding aside though, hire a kid to remove them...

Bwah, ha, ha...

I typically prune my cactus with a pair of long-handled loppers. And I use the lopers or a pair of metal tongs from the kitchen to pick up each pad. And I wear dense leather gloves. And I work very methodically and deliberately. And I still get spines into myself. Typically on my belly. I suppose that I could wear some type of vest... Then as soon as I come into the house, every article of clothing I was wearing goes directly into the washing machine, and no other clothing gets added. And then I take a shower. Then I dry off and pick out spines.

One of those shovels which is like a pair of tweezers might work well. I suppose that if I was totally removing a clump that a shovel might work fine.. Chop the clump up into pieces small enough to pick up with the shovel...


Hilarious! Hilarious! I wish I could get somebody to get them out for me. I wish I could get them out and toss them under the trailer. Darn squirrels to get out of cold have been going under the trailer. I heard this giant pop and next thing I knew I had no phone, internet and worse, no heat with temps at 19F. They got under there chomped a ground wire which touched a hot and shorted everything out.

Had to put in an emergency call to my Deacon and his wife to come and get me fixed and running again. Not fun working outside in bitter cold and semi dark. Not when your messing with electrical wires.

I think the squirrels did it on purpose as over the weekend two of the neighbors came down and brought their saw and a front loader to take down a hickory tree that from too much flooding and winds was laying over electrical and phone lines and another good wind storm would probably have taken everybody's electric out. Taking the tree down took some of the main jumping branches they use down off another tree. Now they have to climb up and down the trees. I think I made them mad and they decided to get even.

Joseph I have loopers and a long set of bbq tongs. I might try and do a few that way and see how bad I get stuck. You did give me an idea though. I wonder if I get a big enough area cleared around the patches, do you think I could try and burn the patch first then clip and dig. Would it help or make me more of a mess? How do you dispose of the plant and pads after you have removed them?

When the one big patch is blooming, it is beautiful to see. Love all the yellow blooms. Got to pour some grits on it to take out the ant hill in it.

Dumb question here folks, but how big do beets get? Need to figure out what size pots to use. I was going to try and put them in the ground, but good grief as I been removing more leaves the amount of vole tunnels has increased like crazy. Even with clearing and burning and turning tunnels it only took them two days to reopen them and make new ones. Grumbling

So everything going into pots. I decided I wasn't going to go through all the trouble of trying to plant in soil only to have critters destroy my crops. I have hundreds of 6 and 8" pots that are only about 6-7" deep and wonder if that will be big enough to hold a beet?

One of the things that I noticed is that when I start some seeds in pots that they say shouldn't or are hard to transplant and don't disturb roots, if I start out in smaller pots and let the pots become just about root bound, I have no problems with transplanting. When going to take the plant out of the pot I make sure it is just about bone dry that way the roots all stay together and I don't rip the roots or anything when transplanting. In about a week or so them roots will spread out on their own in the new area. Yes, it takes time to transplant and step the plants up, but I also have found that when kept in smaller pots and stepped up , plants have a tendency to start to flower sooner. It's like the roots touch the plastic pots, realize they can't go anywhere, so then they start putting energy into foliage and bloom making.

Deebie Asthma is no fun. May I make a suggestion that , pain in the rump as it is, that you start a daylily log of everything you eat, drink, where you go outside and what is around you and the cleaning chems you use. It will help you narrow down those things that are triggers. Certain animal furs will trigger mine, especially cat fur. If I pet a cat, I have to make sure my face stays back and wash my hands immediately after touching or it will trigger an attack. Even a worse trigger for me is them carpet fresh type powders. In less than five minutes, if I enter a home that uses that type of products I am wheezing and gasping for breath.

A tip, using your inhaler more than recommend by doc can cause heart to flutter and body jitters. At least it does for me. I learned that if I had an attack and couldn't use inhaler for fear of overdose. Get somebody to put arms around chest and squeeze like you would a choking person. That will get the trapped air out and allow you to breath again. Also sticking head into freezer and breathing cold air for a few minutes always helped me. But the biggest thing is finding your triggers and staying away from them.

Hope you get it under control soon.

Wild Hilarious! Them sure are some funny looking carrots. The first one in the second pic looks like a woman with her legs crossed. A person sure could come up with a bunch of crazy sayings for them. They may have been a bit misshapen, but they look like they was good to eat. Big Grin

Joseph Interesting shaped squash. You know what gets me. Folks can be hungry and if you give them fresh fruits and veggies that just happen to look a bit different than what they are used to seeing they will turn it down or take it so as not to hurt your feelings and then toss it in the trash. Frosts my cookies. I mean, dah..... when you peel it, cut it up and cook it, it looks just like the regular squash they eat. Maybe if folks would learn to be less critical and quit using just their sight, they would find they had a full belly and something nutritious and healthy to eat, besides something that tastes good.

I fully admit that I have been one of them folks. It is not easy to change people's minds, but I have been getting lots better myself. I'll go to store and pick up veggie or fruit I haven't tried before and give it a chance. So many times I have come home with something I have never seen or heard about before and wondered why in the world did i buy this.

Arlene On them older pepper seeds and same thing for the tomatoes. Well I do this for all my older seed. When I moisten the seeding starting mix, I don't just use plain water. I add a bunch of hydrogen peroxide to it. That helps or you can soak the seeds for a few minutes in a mix of water with just a teeny pinch of MG. Just a few grains of the stuff usually will do the trick. It does take longer for germination, but hang in there. I give mine at least a month and a half to show their stuff. After that I usually put off to the side, outside and see if mother nature will do anything. Usually not.

I am surprised your not taking plants too. What cultivars are you growing? Usually the ones like Thai, Habanero, Jalapeno and Sweet and hot Banana will go for about $3 a 6 pack. Specialty pepper fruits and even the above mentioned then are sold later, fresh. Usually 6 packs are taken and sold and what doesn't sell after few weeks and basically everybody has their gardens set goes into to production for fruits.

I saw where somebody mentioned Fava beans. Aggggggggg the flea beetles wrecked havoc on all of them. Got so bad I even brought out the garden safe to try and spray them. Even that didn't stop them.

I can sit outside on porch which is up in air somewhat and if you look closely you can see already all kinds of pests flying around just waiting for something to munch on. Bugs under and on top of the ground. Bugs in the air. Sure makes it hard on a gardener.

I'm still looking for the best way to start and grow Heather seeds if anybody knows. It is one I am determined to try and grow here. I love seeing the pics of fields of Heather.

Chelle Well my Lavender Pink Elegance's finally bit the dust. Eight inches of rain and then bitter cold and they just couldn't get dry fast enough to keep the roots from rotting. I see that there are other colors of the Elegance cultivars available. I wonder if they all have the tiny flowers and the same problems as the pink? I think if I try them again I will make sure there is plenty of sand in the soil. Bummer too, cuz even though they only had such tiny flowers, after these several years they were finally starting to fill out as a plant.

My I am too stubborn to give up on trying plant that I am going to do again this year is Tithonia. I forget how many years now this going to be, but I am determined. I refuse to be intimidated by a plant, at least one not poisonous or thorny. I gotta get lucky one of these years. Anybody else got a plant that frustrates them to no end?












Imagejoseph
Feb 12, 2016 10:51 AM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity
Star: I suppose that building a bon-fire on top of the cactus would work fine! Last time I built an outdoor fire in cactus country it was well on it's way to taking out the county before I got it extinguished. So fire isn't a tool that I associate with cactus growing, but I bet that it would work great... With a hot enough and long enough fire, they might burn completely up. Then you could avoid the spines

Sometimes I take the pruned pads and plant them in the badlands. Sometimes I just dump them into the badlands. Mostly they get eaten by animals. Sometimes I pot them up to share with the neighbors. Sometimes I send them to the landfill.
Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
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Imagejoseph
Feb 12, 2016 1:20 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity
These are my most recent cactus prunings. I am intending to plant these in a month or so.

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The germination tests I'm doing indicate that the Opuntia humifusa seeds had 30% germination after two weeks at about 77F. At about 63 F they are just starting to germinate after 4 weeks.
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Imagejoseph
Feb 12, 2016 9:12 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity
starlight1153 wrote:Anybody else got a plant that frustrates them to no end?


I planted runner beans and mixta squash 5 years in a row before I was able to harvest seeds from them. They are doing great for me now.

I've been working on watermelons for 7 years. They are just now getting to be reliable for me.

Garbanzo beans are still iffy for me.

I've planted silly things like luffa. I may try again some day.

I'll probably keep trying to grow peanuts from time to time.

Growing pea and parsnip seed are iffy for me. I can grow seed. Growing seed with high germination is a challenge. I'm intending to grow better peas this year.
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ImageRickCorey
Feb 24, 2016 7:56 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Pacific NorthWet Zone 8a
It's mighty quiet here lately ...

I recently stumbled onto a seed conservationist who is trying to support his collection / preservation efforts (Roughwood Seed Collection) by selling some of the seeds that he's preserved, including selections he's made, and some stabilized hybrids.

http://www.roughwoodseeds.org/

An email newsletter from Baker Creek turned me on to them.


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Help Save Seed Diversity

We have been fortunate to work for many years with food historian and author William Woys Weaver, keeper of the historic Roughwood Seed Collection, and his assistant Owen Taylor. Weaver inherited the collection started by his grandfather in 1932 and has grown the collection to around 4,000 varieties of rare, unique, endangered and delicious non-GMO food plants. Located in Devon, Pennsylvania, the Roughwood Seed Collection represents incredible biodiversity that may hold the keys to resilience in an uncertain and changing culture. It is for this reason we find it important to realize that Roughwood Seed Collection needs to raise funds or lose the collection. Weaver is no longer able to financially support the collection and has started selling seeds to sustain his preservation work. Being a small scale operation, Weaver and Taylor need to raise enough funds to get on their feet this year, scale up and make a name for themselves as a small seed company, and become financially self-sufficient through seed sales.

You can help save the collection by buying your seeds directly from Roughwood Seed Collection, buying RSC seeds from our Baker Creek website, or buying them from Hudson Valley Seed Library. You can also donate to their online fundraiser, which includes many exciting “rewards” for donating.

Watch a Video about the Roughwood Seed Collection and Donate here

Baker Creek Heirloom Seed Company began with a mission to save seed diversity. That mission is still important to us today.
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Also:

http://www.rareseeds.com/store/vegetables/william-woys-weave...

Joseph, you might be interested to know about his B. rapa variety "Mizunarubasoi".

"This winter hardy wide-leafed Mizuna (Brassica rapa) was crossed with Tatsoi and Maruba, with seeds only selected from Mizuna mother plants, and grown for years as a landrace until it stabilized into this handsome form at Tobacco Road Farm in Lebanon, CT."

"Maruba" is presumably "Maruba Santoh", 35 DTM

http://www.kitazawaseed.com/seed_060-50.html
http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/?item=3209
https://www.restorationseeds.com/products/round-maruba-santo...

I was also enchanted by the story about how he had saved his Grandpap's Golden Chard ("developed by
William Woys Weaver’s grandfather during the 1930s"), so I got that, too, even though I have more chard varieties than I could eat.

With 4,000 heirloom edibles, he might have some things you would mix into your landraces.



SCbuttercup
Feb 25, 2016 3:20 AM CST
Name: Judy
Simpsonville , SC
Seedlings are growing under lights, even put cabbage, broccoli seedlings out on the deck since no room under lights anymore. Now that we have some cold nights I will be bringing in at night, taking out in morning. May keep them in for the day due to high winds.

Andi Your petunia seeds are thriving! I'm not sure if they are from 2014 or thr beta swap on ATP. They are labeled white with pink and red edging. They will go well with the red heirloom petunias I bought online. This is my first time growing petunias, since I have more than enough perennials I thought I'd try some annuals. Also have zinnias, got morfire mix from peace seedlings.

DH renovated my raised beds last weekend do they are now a squared off S shape instead of 3 rectangles too close together. Planted seeds for purple magnolia sugar snap peas, lettuce, greens. Now it's raining done every day with warm ish daytime temps so I think they will germinate well. Have a chicken farmer who is cleaning out his coop so I can get some chicken poo.

Love this time of year!
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ImageArleneB
Feb 25, 2016 7:24 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
Our garden has been getting washed out from all the heavy rains this spring. I finally managed to plant lettuce seedlings last week but it was wet. Then we got almost 6" more rain the past two days. Going to the farm today to check and see how things survived and to put floating row cover on because we are expecting three nights of freezing temps.

My greenhouse is full with overwintered pots and trays and trays of seedlings. My freesia is starting to blossom! This is the first year I have been able to get all my hundreds (feels like thousands!) of seedlings potted up! So, I can start to plant the next round of flowers. Last night I planted a tray of marigolds. Hopefully I can get some zinnias started. I did start some earlier and I planted them in the greenhouse. I have a pepper overwintering in there and it has three nice sized peppers on it! I also have four hybrid tomato suckers I potted up that are growing.

I still haven't planted peas but we bought another piece of guttering and I will presprout in that and slide them into the garden row. I also need to get some radishes planted because market starts April 2.

I am growing out a lot of tomato seeds my son has collected over the years. There were only a couple that didn't germinate but the Berkley Tye Died must have been 100% germination because I potted up 49 seedlings yesterday! I sure hope they sell well.

Imagejoseph
Feb 25, 2016 2:42 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity
I gotta rejoice in the first sprouts... Tentative as they are.

Favas:
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Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
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ImageArleneB
Feb 25, 2016 3:49 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
Hurray! Hurray!
Imagejoseph
Feb 28, 2016 6:54 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity

I'm using lamps like these to heat the greenhouse...
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Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
ImageArleneB
Feb 28, 2016 7:25 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
How's that working Joseph? How much can you raise the temperature with them, and how many are you using?

It looks like we are close to being done with freezing temps, maybe a couple more yet. I will be taking the solar blanket off my GH because it is getting well over 100 in there when the sun is shining, with doors open on both ends! I cannot open the ceiling vents with the wrap on so that will help as well.

Today I transplanted my carrots and beets to my raised beds. It is an experiment to see if I can start them inside, but I think I started them too early because I had to hold them over a week extra because we had so much rain and I couldn't get them planted out. So it will be interesting to see what happens with them.

I planted a few more lettuce seedlings at the farm today and will go back tomorrow and finish. I want to plant peas too, and if I have time, some beets, carrots and turnips. The lettuce I had already planted and covered looks pretty good. I only lost a few plants, and that's to wash out from the rain, not the cold.

The greenhouse is full so I'm anxious to get things planted out!

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