Hoya talk forum: Maybe you can answer these questions?
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I copied this from my post on GW. Sorry, it's easier.  I recently received an order from Joni: aff. parasitica 'Lao 2' deykeae (sp?) sp. ban ngon ngoy and my mystery bundle: sp. orange acanthostemma sp. 97005 (HUGE leaves) carnosa 'Chelsea' bhutanica elliptica EPC-641 (funny, because I got this last summer from her and I quickly lost it. I have a second chance!) imperialis 'Mosiac' A few questions: Anyone have any advice about these hoyas? They're all cuttings at this point and will be potted up tonight. Ted Green believes imperialis 'Mosiac' to be virused. Anyone know the end of that? Thanks! |
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| Your first three are super hoyas. Don't know anything about the others except bhutanica which is nice, elliptica which I kill regularly and I agree with Ted that the imperialis 'Mosaic' is virused. Leap. The net will appear. |
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AlohaHoya wrote:Your first three are super hoyas. Don't know anything about the others except bhutanica which is nice, elliptica which I kill regularly and I agree with Ted that the imperialis 'Mosaic' is virused. Thanks, Carol! I just threw it away. How contagious is a virused plant? It was around the other cuttings for a bit. Ack! And I forgot to clean my damn snips while potting them up. The first time I do this and I deal with a virused plant... |
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| Carol, what does this exactly mean "'Mosaic' is virused"? What is wrong with it? |
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| Well....I wouldn't panic about the virus. Some viruses seem to be stable...especially on that imperialis...but I think it was ethically questionable for Asiatica (who brought it into the US) to sell it as a 'boutique' hoya. It may not be...but it looks it. I would just watch the hoyas and don't panic! I have flowers on a few that 'others' have said look virused but it hasn't spread so I am not worried.... Olesya...plants can get viruses (like the flu) which can spread to others...it usually shows up as a mottling in the leaves or flowers. Leap. The net will appear. |
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Hmmmm..... I didn't know that Carol. Thank you for explaining it to me.  |
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| That's why it is recommended that when you are working with your plants, you dip your clippers in alcohol between cuts...eliminating transferring any fungus/virus etc...... Leap. The net will appear. |
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AlohaHoya wrote:That's why it is recommended that when you are working with your plants, you dip your clippers in alcohol between cuts...eliminating transferring any fungus/virus etc...... And a lesson learned...last season I was very anal about cleaning my pruners. The ONE time...  Clean your snips!Thanks again. I'll be watching the new growth once they root. I'm hoping for no transfer of anything and all of them to actually root. |
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| Hi Lauren, I've grown this plant for a few years and have had no signs of sicknesses of any kind. I have a theory of why TG decided to add that info to his site but you would have to twist my arm in private to explain further. So sorry you tossed the cutting Joni |
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SRQHoyas wrote:Hi Lauren, I err on the side of caution always - if I feel it may affect my other plants, in the trash you go! Your other cuts are gorgeous, though. Very excited to hopefully have them root and grow.  |
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| Joni....I think you are wrong. When Ted got his plant from Asiatica we discussed it...and he thought it was virused. Leap. The net will appear. |
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| Carol, My Hoya imperialis 'Mosaic' has always been healthy and has grown into a fine specimen of a plant. I have experienced no issues which would lead me to believe it would be virus-ed. Actually the imperialis that grows funky and weird looking is the Hoya imperialis var. rauchii. It's stalks begin tiny and weak and the leaves small and sometimes deformed. In the first year I grew this one it took off grew fine but not so sure what changed. I keep it outside the lanai and a good distance from the others so I can monitor any changes. Here is the var. rauchii and also a 'Mosaic' that I am listing on Ebay later on today.   Since I do not have any evidence either way I am not making either claims to health or illness. Just presenting the evidence here at SRQHoyas. Joni |
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| That rauchii doesn't look to good...IMHO.... Good to know. Leap. The net will appear. |
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| I think jury is still out on 'virused/mosaic' . Does anyone have long term experience(ie plant bloomed for a few season) with theses mosaic plants ? I got an imperialis cutting last yr in swap and it is growing well,beautiful leaves but no flowers yet. Do not know whether it is rauchii or something else. Mine is not skinny or sickly at all. I know a bit about virused plumeria that are also from Apocynaceae family. The flowers start showing splashes of dark color, leave have mottled look and eventually ...and gradually plant weakens. Someone did an experiment once to demonstrate transmission of virus. They introduced virus to new plant by using infected pruners. According to the theory if the infected juices come in contact with healthy plants cut/injured surface, there is a significant potential for contamination. Now, some people dispute that and there are some plumeria that have stable splashes of color on petals without any evidence of weakening of plant itself or transmission to other plants. I gave away a beautiful plumeria to someone (who knew it could be virused) just because I did not want to take chance of infecting my other Plumerias. My plant was quite strong otherwise. So, I guess, everyone has to make their own choice and judge on their own, until good and consistent evidence is available. |
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plumania wrote:I think jury is still out on 'virused/mosaic' . My sentiments exactly! Well said Alka!  |
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| I'm 99% sure Ted did not get imperialis moziac from Asiatica. Actually I thought the first time I saw it was from you Carol. So IF IIT IS A VIRUS, it hasn't infected any other plant. The reason why I don't believe Ted got it from Asiatica is because the first time we got anything from Asiatica was about 4 years ago, just before they went out of business. ??? Hoya imperialis moziac has been around longer than 4 years. Sometimes the mottling shows up and sometimes not. Dorothy. |
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| Have to clarify something. Carol is going to kill me if I don't. I never meant to imply that we got the plant, imperialis moziac from Carol. I thought I remembered seeing a picture she sent us and at the time she said it not very nice looking. I'm not sure we even have a plant called moziac. I think the mottling just shows up randomly. Possibly a reaction, maybe to the U.V. rays in sunlight. I don't think the reaction is not always stable. Dorothy. |
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yaramolong wrote:Have to clarify something. Carol is going to kill me if I don't. I never meant to imply that we got the plant, imperialis moziac from Carol. I thought I remembered seeing a picture she sent us and at the time she said it not very nice looking. The moziac was a misspelling be me. I meant mosaic...thanks for the clarification though! |
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