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Imageavmoran
Feb 16, 2010 8:18 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
When I first started I had no goals other than produce a cool iris, Aril better. But actually doing the hybridizing I wanted two things
First Tall bearded I wanted better beards and wanted more buds and perhaps a branch on a standard dwarf bearded.

Did two crosses for the beards
Devil's Fork X Dark Passion
and
Dark Passion X Galactic Warrior
All three had great beards even though 2 were Space agers
this is the first to open large flower, great substance, nice stalk and ok bud count at 7

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Imageavmoran
Feb 16, 2010 8:20 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
What was better was the beard with at least four colors three on a single shaft and then white disbursed at the tip. It was thick and only had a very small horn.

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Imageavmoran
Feb 16, 2010 8:32 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
The second won to open after a severe thunder storm was had no appendages, better for form but the beard was a thick long caterpillar but only two colors an unusual red base with yellow tips

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Imageavmoran
Feb 16, 2010 8:35 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
The next one to bloom great form (despite the damage fromt he storm) color was great nice substance 7 buds but a real wierd growth in the throat. Beard was thick broad and multicolored
But.....

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Imageavmoran
Feb 16, 2010 8:36 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
Ah hiding.

The beard was multi colored tiny horn this was definately something to work with

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Imageavmoran
Feb 16, 2010 8:43 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
This year all three of these will be crossed with
'Have a Goodun' (attached) which has a spectacular beard
and a decadence seedling

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Imageavmoran
Feb 16, 2010 8:52 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
Dwarfs were much easier Sunstrip and Nut Ruffles have both given me spectacular seedlings.
this is a cross with Sunstrip X Touch of Mink
This only reason this common yellow red remains is that occasionally the branch is double socked and with the spur produces 5 buds.
the MDBs from this cross both have 3 buds

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Imageirisloverdee
Feb 16, 2010 8:52 AM CST
Name: Dee Stewart
Willamette Valley OR
Snowpeak Iris
Well my goals were and still are unique color pattern. Catapiller beard, outstanding branches. Well if you have goals make them HIGH. Have I gotten any or all of them, kinda. The colors I wanted NO...But I was also helped to understand that if you think there is something along the way that is different, proper bud count and branching, then go for it.

I will be introducing finally in 2011 one of my personal favorites, named Splashed Silk and another one that Anita already has and that one which is Black Bull. Have several that I will be watching this year to select or pitch as they are 3-4 years old now. Either time to use, select for the future or pitch. In the beginning that was the hardest to pitch my babies, but not any more.

D

Ah what the future has is unlimited.

Denise Stewart
541-259-2343
Snowpeak http://snowpeakiris.com

Imageavmoran
Feb 16, 2010 8:55 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
A cross with Nut Ruffle and Red Rabbit produced spectaular seedlings all including the one MDB with 4 buds.
colors are wonderful and the MDB is a rebloomer
I will have to see what they do their 2nd year
A

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Imageavmoran
Feb 16, 2010 8:58 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
LOL
Dee

That was the first lesson when I ran out of room and there were full pots in the back that needed homes.
First to go was anything yellow or yellow and red with less than 4 buds. They got one time to have good form or they were pitched no matter anything else. only exception was beard and unusual coloring
A
Imageirisarian
Feb 16, 2010 10:44 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
I haven't worked with the beards as I have been too busy trying to 'set' the colors. The red amoena intro starts the SDB thread here. SDB pinks still need work here. MTBs I am moving towards solid colors & borders still working on keeping the plants in class--our long, cool spring shoots the stems too tall.
Imageirisarian
Feb 16, 2010 10:50 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
I have posted this picture other places. It is always in class. Would like to get rid of the busy area near beards. When Paul Black saw the picture he asked if it had plicata in the background. Had to think, but yes it does (behind grandparent Miss Nellie.) It also needs ruffles. Sooo, add ruffles & smooth out falls keeping plant in class.

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Imageavmoran
Feb 16, 2010 1:39 PM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
Lucy what is this MTB ???
A
Imageirisarian
Feb 16, 2010 6:36 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
It is a border, a seedling (Margaret Beaufort x Pink TB) X Devotee (tet MTB). My M. Beaufort is Louise Hopper x Miss Nellie, so the plicata is hiding there Miss Nellie's pollen parent isMexacali (Keppel). L.Hopper was the best of about the best of 3 tet. MTBs I had at the time I made the cross.

My seedling (see the first parent) is actually one of L. Markham's which I have grown 'OK Lucy, I don't have room for these seeds, you grow them". It is an interesting parent, even if a little out of class for a BB. All sorts of plants came out of the cross with Devotee. white, yellow, peach etc. & the one which is pictured. I couldn't get that color combinations if I planned it. So anxious to work with it. It is in this year's convention, just to see how it grows in a different climate.
Imageavmoran
Feb 16, 2010 8:08 PM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
Wow what a mix
:)
A
Imageirisarian
Feb 16, 2010 11:53 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
I can think of irises while trying to go to sleep. I see that white can hide a lot of things, not just blue or white. Anyway, will get there sometime. The main purpose is there (BB plant in class & grows). Now just have to fix things.
Imageirisloverdee
Feb 17, 2010 12:05 AM CST
Name: Dee Stewart
Willamette Valley OR
Snowpeak Iris
If anyone can you can Lucy!

I have 4 really working on with many crosses this last year and more this year. Want to do some crosses with a seedling that has alot of almost RED to my one this year Caramel Topping to see what I end up with then a self hopefully from that cross.

I want to work with Black Bull as well to see if I can get more ruffling and bigger beard next time.

D
Denise Stewart
541-259-2343
Snowpeak http://snowpeakiris.com

Imageavmoran
Feb 17, 2010 7:16 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
Dee that seedling we know is fertile (Black Bll) even though the seed pod did not make it to maturity. If the piece I kept survives this winter I was thinking of trying again to do crosses on it expecially with rebloomers. (i.e. I Do, and Royal Maroon) but I think I would also like to cross it with "Have a Goodun" just to see what the beard does. That is why I got it (HAG) If it can take the SA tendencies from my bearded group then I will be really happy and both parents would have excellent beards. It might get BB more size though and take it out of class but that is a chance I am willing to take.
Imageirisarian
Feb 17, 2010 8:30 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
The frustrating part of being a small hybridizer is something like last spring's lack of germination. None! I had 2 BB crosses of 95 seeds each. Since there is not a lot of line out room I need to keep steady progress. I suspect last spring's rain rotted a lot of seeds. However one cross had Margaret Beaufort as the pod parent. She shows her aphylla ancestery by having the seeds germinate over a number of years. But there was no excuse for the other cross. None for SDBs either.

Amazing that you both play with beards. I haven't done too much with them, although I would like to get orange or red beards on a white SDB. don't need more projects but if didn't think that way, would not hybridize. :)
Imageavmoran
Feb 17, 2010 9:36 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
I have been trying since I got Decadence to get seedlings on it but so fare have only been able to use it as a pollen parent.
Made two crosses that took one with Dark Passion and Once with Lakeside Elf (OGB)

Planted seeds in 2006 and only one of the surviving bloomed and was not destroyed with the weather you can not see the beard but it is yellow and better than decadence not as good as Dark Passion. But this bloom was also damaged so I will have to wait to see what it really looks like. Noneof the other cross bloomed but with an OGB as the pod parent the 4 surviving have still not bloomed but the plants are showing aril charateristics so hopfully this year.

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