Discussions and Q and A about hybridizing irises forum: terms and definitions..?

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Imagenaomimade
Apr 10, 2011 11:37 AM CST
Name: Naomi DiVincenzo
Colorado Springs
zone 5b
Good morning ladies,
I was wondering if there is a page somewhere that has more information about irises. I know that the AIS web-site along with several others have some explanations of what size, etc, for SDB, IB, TB's are, and some general color patterns, i.e. Plicata, Amoena, etc..
But, I ran across something that I had never heard of this morning. While looking at some of Mr. Christophersons irises, he speaks of something called a celestart pattern. Is this a term that he has coined for iris that he has created?

I think it would be great if there was somewhere that some of us newbies could go to learn more about these things....
I haven't searched the Iris Wiki page yet....

Naomi &:-)
ImagePollyK
Apr 10, 2011 3:55 PM CST
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY

We have a 'page' here that explains some of the patterns. Pages are in the right column by the way.

http://cubits.org/irisforum/pages/109/

But that's a new one to me. Maybe Dee will recognize it.

Hey Naomi! Glad to see you back. It truly must be spring.
Imageirisarian
Apr 10, 2011 8:52 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
Celestar is a pattern in plicata irises where there is color on the backs (or underside) of the falls. It is named after a historic iris which had that trait.
I had to check it in 'The world of Irises' which while old, still has good information on irises. It is still available from AIS & if you want color pattern information, I would buy it.
ImagePaul2032
Apr 10, 2011 9:58 PM CST
Name: Paul Smith
Pleasant Grove Utah
Grandchildren are my greatest joy.
Lucy.....I had my copy of 'The World of Irises' out today for the first time in a long time. I was reading about how colors have been improved over the years in preparation for participating in a program at our next UIS meeting. Did you know Bee Warburton? I had the privilege of visiting Melba Hamblen's garden a number of times. It was nice to have it here in Utah, We could see her intros, the seedlings she was considering and wonderful guest iris she had from other top hybridizers.
Paul Smith Pleasant Grove, Utah
Imageirisarian
Apr 11, 2011 8:37 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
Oh yes, Bee was quite helpful to new hybridizers and started Marty Schafer & Jan Sacks on their siberian program. they also used some of her seedlings & intros as a base. She started me on pinks as she told us that TB pink had improved enough so we could use them for SDB. Barry blyth brought his out just afterwards & we could use his plants instead of doing the TB X pumila crosses from scratch. I did do a couple of those.

But look how far patterns have come since W. of Irises (terms as well, like glaciata for the whites from plicata breeding). I never met Melba but still have her BB 'Happy song' in the garden. Where would we be without mentors?
ImagePaul2032
Apr 11, 2011 9:57 AM CST
Name: Paul Smith
Pleasant Grove Utah
Grandchildren are my greatest joy.
I smile every time I think of how years ago we all thought we were supposed to dislike haft marks. Now they are an asset on many of the newer iris and have been expanded rather trying to be eliminated. What patterns will we be looking at in 10 years?
Paul Smith Pleasant Grove, Utah
Imageirisarian
Apr 11, 2011 9:15 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
Tastes change, don't they?
irisawe
Apr 12, 2011 2:27 PM CST
Name: Katherine Howe
Raytown(Kansas City) MO
Paul,
If you look at Interstellar Gardens. I think that is Burseen's website, it has some examples of trends possibly to come. One trend there is big fat beards, ie. Tobacco Chew and others. Then you see how Keppel started to go that direction with Brilliant Idea and backed off in favor of its sibling, Revision who is on the cover of his catalog this year. He went for more balance even discusses that very thing in his catalog. I like them both and really like the prominent beard of Brilliant Idea, but maybe over time I would gravitate toward its less ostentatious sibling, just like Keppel. It appears he thought the fat beards were a "brilliant idea", but "revisited" that vision and decided differently. I concur with Lucy that tastes change, not only in trends but in the way an individual evolves in their own thinking and viewing. it is part of the fun of the hobby, isn't it?
Sounds like a theme for another thread, How Have Your Tastes Changed?
K Drooling Rolling my eyes.
Katherine
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ImagePollyK
Apr 12, 2011 4:10 PM CST
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY

Well, Katherine, please go ahead and start another thread. That would be a nice topic.
Imagenaomimade
Apr 12, 2011 6:43 PM CST
Name: Naomi DiVincenzo
Colorado Springs
zone 5b
Hi Polly! My Hellbore is coming up! Still no sign of the Crocosmia tho.... thanks for the welcome. &:-)
Thank you Lucy! I have that book...duh! ....never thought to look in it.

My tastes change the minute I set eyes on an iris that I've not seen in person before.. LOL!
I immediately love it!
ImageBetja
Apr 12, 2011 7:36 PM CST
Name: Betty Jacobs
Bakersfield, CA
I'm with you, Naomi! I love what is really new and different to me, although I do realize that love affair can be short-lived!
Betty

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