Discussions and Q and A about hybridizing irises forum: What is the popular method of record keeping, and planning for hybridizing?

 
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Imagenaomimade
Sep 4, 2011 10:45 PM CST
Name: Naomi DiVincenzo
Colorado Springs
zone 5b
Good evening all,
I ask this because some time ago I stumbled upon some sort of share-ware, either on DG or here, that is supposed to help one create a database of their iris as well as being a locator for where they are planted. It's supposed to be easy to use for the hobbyist as well as the hybridizer, but I found it rather frustrating. It's called 'Irises version 2.4" or something like that..

There were tags that you could add to your page for each particular iris stating 'house - east bed' , 'next to the garage' and so on. There were many different fields that could be filled in with other information...beard color, form and color of standards, falls, you get the idea. I found it a major pain in the neck to use but I thought I'd try it in order to keep a database of my iris information as well as notes for bloom times and increase each year.

How many people just fill notebook after notebook journaling all this, and how many people use a computer program?
Would a user friendly, and intuitive program be welcome, or not worth the trouble as far as entering all your information that you already have on paper, into the computer?
I keep thinking that it would be nice to have a database just for me, the collector.
But I also would like it to have additional features so that when I do start to think seriously about hybridizing, I could pull data from my collection to use, to choose potential parents.
thoughts, please?

Naomi &:-)
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ImagePaul2032
Sep 5, 2011 12:56 AM CST
Name: Paul Smith
Pleasant Grove Utah
Grandchildren are my greatest joy.
I'm one of those who fill notebooks with my info on my hybridizing. The main reason is that I can take that note book with me when making the cross, harvesting the pods,storing the seed, planting, growing on, and observing and making notes on seedling bloom, what to keep and what to eliminate. I am also not very proficient on the computer which may actually be the main reason.
Paul Smith Pleasant Grove, Utah
Imageirisloverdee
Sep 5, 2011 7:09 AM CST
Name: Dee Stewart
Willamette Valley OR
Snowpeak Iris
Well as both a grower and hybridizer I have a notebook. I do not have the time to fill in database for all the things I need and another thing, there are notes in there about first, second and third day bloom if there is a big difference or what...

I do two types of crosses the first is the one that I have researched in the off season, and then those out there that there is this beautiful bloom now look for one you know everything about and cross, I call those spur of the moment crosses.

D
Denise Stewart
541-259-2343
Snowpeak http://snowpeakiris.com

Imageirisarian
Sep 5, 2011 8:16 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
pen & paper here as not good with the computer. My few iris pictures are also seedlings & some of our few introductions. We have 4 beds for new seedlings (sdlg 1,2,3,4) Lineouts need more space so those are moved into the 'outback'beds along with other irises. OB beds are the farthest form the house into the old pony pasture. Our original iris beds were bothered by creeping shade.
I have one spread sheet to compare pink SDB seedlings. someone told me how to do it, but that was with the old computer program & I don't think I could find it.
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ImagePaul2032
Sep 5, 2011 10:43 AM CST
Name: Paul Smith
Pleasant Grove Utah
Grandchildren are my greatest joy.
Dee...I plan my crosses all winter but things don't always bloom on my schedule so I also make spur of the moment crosses but even these contain some knowledge of the potential of what I am using.
Paul Smith Pleasant Grove, Utah
Imageirisarian
Sep 5, 2011 1:48 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
We have very creative bees. I have plants from a cross on I.aphylla seedling x a TB plicata seedling (pollen was from the late Lloyd Zurbrigg) that sets pods at the drop of a hat. I made one cross on it, the seeds were not planted in time, but the bees are busy. I have just enveloped about 41 seeds for SIGNA & 191 seeds for BIS. All different bee pods. One plant is in a bed where the plants bloom earlier so I think that it probably selfed. The 2nd clone is in a later situation so there are many more plants available for the pollen. This sort of thing turns up in planned crosses as well.
I had 'Anvil of Darkness' situated where it bloomed too late to use. I moved it & it refused to bloom, so discarded it. All the planning in the world sometimes is useless.
Imagenaomimade
Sep 5, 2011 10:13 PM CST
Name: Naomi DiVincenzo
Colorado Springs
zone 5b
Great info everyone, thanks so much for your input! &:-)

irisfirefighter
Sep 8, 2011 3:26 PM CST
Elkhart Co., IN
So what does everybody use to mark your crosses on the plant outside? I working on planning crosses for next year, but not sure what to use to mark them.

Right now I'm using a spread sheet to keep track of my crosses. I will also have a notebook next year.The crosses from this year are bee pods. But next I plan on making planned and "whatever is in bloom" crosses.

Cory
Imageeclayne
Sep 8, 2011 3:56 PM CST
Name: Evan Layne
Western Mass, USA, z6a
Birthplace of Basketball
In addition to info. on marking of crosses that Cory mentioned I'd be interested to know how you layout your spreadsheet to track them.
Evan
Imageirisarian
Sep 8, 2011 8:29 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
We use a string tag (one each cross). If you do two crosses on the plant, mark both. Write on the tag with graphite pencil, the rain won't wash it out like it will ink.
irisfirefighter
Sep 9, 2011 5:01 PM CST
Elkhart Co., IN
Lucy, Can you post some pics of the tags and where you tie them on the plant? I think I know what tags you are talking about, just what to make sure.

My spreadsheet is set-up like this for now.

Cross ID # - # of seeds - parentage - # germinated - harvested - parents class - potted

Sample:
Cross ID # # of seeds parentage # germinated harvested parents class potted
CK 1-11-BP 40 86XN/A ?? 7/15/2011 SDB/Unknown 7/22/2011


What I did is I have all my irises numbered. This is a bee pod, that's why it has BP on the end. #86 is Heather Carpet.



Cory
Imageirisarian
Sep 9, 2011 6:07 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
Oh dear, I don't have such pictures . However, I tie them right below the cross. I never have a different cross on the same stem, but tag each cross as I make it. I used to tag just the top cross on the stem. But one yr I made 3 crosses on a MTB stem & wound up with 4 pods.
I knew the top & bottom crosses were correct, but the 2 in the middle? So I gave one number to the top & bottom crosses & another to the middle ones. when those plants bloomed (from the middle crosses) I could see which were probably correct & added those to my line out seedlings. The other plants were lined out in a different area under the 2nd number. whew!
Imageeclayne
Sep 9, 2011 8:22 PM CST
Name: Evan Layne
Western Mass, USA, z6a
Birthplace of Basketball
Thanks Cory, that's a lot of help in explaining all the bases you need to hit to properly record.

A perfect example of what and why Lucy. Thanks.
Evan
ImageKentPfeiffer
Sep 10, 2011 3:03 PM CST
Name: Kent Pfeiffer
Southeast Nebraska
Keith Keppel has some very good advice on record keeping on the last page of his 2011 catalog.
Imagenaomimade
Oct 5, 2011 9:44 PM CST
Name: Naomi DiVincenzo
Colorado Springs
zone 5b
Dee, in another post, you talked about your hybridizing 'kit'. I think you said that you used a plastic box that had a bunch of compartments..? And then, the anthers you collect are stored in an airtight container in these compartments... is that correct? I didn't even think of making any crosses this year.. don't know why.. but I think it's because , one.. I didn't have many blooms, and two.. everything blooms at a different time. And then,( now that it's too late.. ha ha! ) I remembered you saying that you saved pollen, etc... do you keep it airtight and in the fridge?
thanks!
Naomi
Imageavmoran
Oct 6, 2011 6:15 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
Ever Heard the Saying "Man Plans and God Laughs" Well you now have the planning of Hybridizers. Many spend all winter dreaming of whatthey will cross the following year, then God puts Storms, hurricanes, freeze in MAY!, Snow in April, 20 days of rain, 20 days of scorching heat in April, 60 mph wind, and just for fun a tornado or two. Then there are those iris that refuse to bloom that year for what ever reason, or they do not produce pollen, or worse the stalk you tagged with the cross you have been waiting to make is empty of a pod but the bees were able to make one right next to it.

Then there are the successes - Every cross I make gets a tag but I do not right it down, Yet!. http://www.diautomotive.com/images/T/xctmpjERDvU.png

These tags are vinal and using soft pencils or wax pencils works well and readable.
As I collect tags and pods all are collected even those that fail. At this point I put everything in a spread sheet both those that took and those that failed so I know who my best parents are and which are a little touchy.

The tags stay with the seeds until they are potted for germination then I shove the label into the soil so it does not weather. The pot gets its metal sign but if anything happens to it, I still have my plastic one.
Imageirisarian
Oct 6, 2011 8:47 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
I envelope the seeds after drying them on paper plates. The tag is there, but also write the cross on the plate in case of accidents. About this time John makes up a 6 pack of plastic boxes on a tray. Seeds are planted in moist planting mix with a plastic stake in the sides carrying the cross information. any seeds less than 10 are planted in a pot. then into the trench & under the screen they go. Last yrs were too late in planting (then the snows came before it was done.) So will have 2 years batches to watch. the 2010 crosses were the most exciting ones. About early to mid-May germination starts.
Imageirisloverdee
Oct 6, 2011 11:45 AM CST
Name: Dee Stewart
Willamette Valley OR
Snowpeak Iris
my kit is a tool try the kind that cleaners, shops use to carry many things from point A to point be have 3 compartments on each side.

Or my custom hybridizer apron, which has three huge pockets, one for tweezers and pencils, one for the tags and one for coin envelopes and anything else like cell phone etc goes in the breast pocket.

Now here is what I go out in the field with tags, pencils, tweezers, cell phone, envelopes and anything else I need that I did not list.

D

I do not write down any crosses unless I plant the seeds too much room in the books for ones that do not cross, I learned the hard way, because the first year I did 300 crosses, only 100 developed seed pods and only 75 or so planted in pots that fall.

D
Denise Stewart
541-259-2343
Snowpeak http://snowpeakiris.com

Imageavmoran
Oct 6, 2011 1:02 PM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
I keep a list of all seeds available because I have so little space for seed pots (Hope to expand this year) and about 50% of those I pot are aril or arilbred 10% species or beardless the rest beardless.

Dee has seen that I rate seeds until the seed reaches a rating of 1 it waits till I have room.

ASI recently got some very old seeds (> 10 years since harvest) that germinated so I am not too worried
A
Imageirisarian
Oct 6, 2011 2:53 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
A realive game us some fruit in a wicker basket which closes with a clasp some years ago. It makes a great hybridizer's kit. Sometimes wear my ISM apron as well which is good of stuffing things while I am working. At the finish, then goes in the kit.

This year I had only 4 seed packets with 10 or more. so most of them will go in pots separate from the trays as there is only so much room in the trench & there are 2 of us. John has some I. ruthenica which he didn't plant last yr & the rest this year are pumila. He says he hadn't counted as yet. Better get started as we must go to NM for family later this month & I don't want to repeat last year's mistake.

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