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Imageavmoran
Sep 20, 2011 7:46 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
I was going over my seedling photos of those that I decided to keep for another year and thought how much several cultivars have given me seedlings that either were exceptional or were totally unexpected.

This first Musings is for MDBs

Dinky Circus, Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/063d53
Candy Corn Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/df615c
Nut Ruffles Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/fa5a75

Have given me some excellent MDBs
Dinky Circus has yet to give me a Plicata which I expected but the ones produced are truely lively with 2 to 3 per stalk
the first group from an open pollination (just gotta love the the bees) Produced three that I really like

Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/a61866 Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/1d44d7 Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/d82818
All are good growers and have survived being in a bed untreated for anything so they are very hardy

I expected something completely different from the Dinky Circus X Black Stallion cross and although it appears white it is actually a very light teal color, another nice violet and a white with green veins and violet spot that has been damaged for one reason or the other every time it has bloomed so this group is going tothe protected bed to see what happens.

Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/740612 Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/386c77 Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/447211
Imageavmoran
Sep 20, 2011 7:56 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
Nut Ruffles has produced color, stalks and hardiness and the possibilty of rebloom even though it does not rebloom it is a carrier.
Crossed with Red Rabbit produced this little broken color which intermittently reblooms. This little one is very fertile and grows like a weed.

Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/1565c5

Crosses with Baby Blessed as the pollen parent it produced a seedling nearly identical to itself only smaller

Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/dc889a

With Nut Ruffles as the pollen parent and Baby Blessed as the Pod Parent I got some really nice red MDBs

Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/bf424c Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/fd6d3b Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/b7f3b0
Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/b5cf28
ImagePollyK
Sep 20, 2011 8:14 AM CST
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY

Please intro that little broken color, and put me first in line. Love it!

Your doing so great on your crosses, Anita!
ImageBetja
Sep 20, 2011 8:48 AM CST
Name: Betty Jacobs
Bakersfield, CA
Anita, those look terrific -- and when I saw your picture of DINKY CIRCUS my first thought was of an intermediate -- LINE DRIVE by Mike Sutton. I'm sure you're already familiar with it, but if not I think it would be a very interesting one to play around with.

LINE DRIVE - IB
Thumb of 2011-09-20/Betja/7de938

Betty
Imageavmoran
Sep 20, 2011 8:49 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
Wow Betty that is Cool is it fertile??
A
ImageBetja
Sep 20, 2011 8:57 AM CST
Name: Betty Jacobs
Bakersfield, CA
You know, I really have no idea whether it is fertile or not. Here is the Sutton website, and I think you could email Michael Sutton through the website and ask him.

Oops - forgot to include the link:

http://www.suttoniris.com/

Betty
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Imageirisarian
Sep 20, 2011 9:12 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
I saw a couple of BBs on my slides which looked interesting. They are on a disc as well so I will try & get them into my computer. Their parents are also seedlings so I was not able to predict the cross.
But certainly good to keep the parents in mind. I would not expect broken color from those plants. but as bc is an erratic gene, you never know.
Imageirisarian
Sep 20, 2011 9:17 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
Anita-- John looked at your yellow seedling & thinks a veined spot, rather than true broken color. The color of the veining is erratic, though. That sometimes happens with plicata. Chuck Chapman thinks that Eyebright is carrying plicata.
But it is certainly cute & as it grows so well deserves introduction.
ImagePaul2032
Sep 20, 2011 9:22 AM CST
Name: Paul Smith
Pleasant Grove Utah
Grandchildren are my greatest joy.
Great pictures Anita....refreshing to see iris this time of the year.
Paul Smith Pleasant Grove, Utah
Imageavmoran
Sep 20, 2011 9:37 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
This is a little MDB that should not exsist it is out of Sunstrip X Chanted 90% of the cross were yellow red spots SDBs and though of those I did keep two that were just so vibrant and had 4 buds I had no choice however among the 12- 13 inch siblings was this little one also with 4 buds. At 7" and such a dainty flower it was a keeper for sure.

Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/89902e

Candy Corn was another great parent for MDBs
Crossed with Minidragon I got 2 wonderful seedlings both will eventually be introduced

Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/8f8df8 Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/0c8508

I also crossed it with an SDB seedling out of John that has a HUGE flower but good color stalk growth etc. and it produced several very nice SDB seedlings as these 2 MDB seedlings with a size comparison between SDB siblings and MDBs

Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/17eb35 Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/9f23c6 Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/54ecdb

Crossed with Black Stallion Candy Corn produces several dogs but also produce daintier replicas of Black Stallion itself
Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/490674 Sorry about the blurry pic

Black Suede only produced 3 seedlings from a bee pod two were horribly colored SDBs but had great stalks and beards to die for so they stayed it also produced this little seedling

Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/7c7b23

Imageirisarian
Sep 20, 2011 11:56 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
Lovely color on those plants.
Imageavmoran
Sep 20, 2011 12:15 PM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
Hi Lucy thank John for me :)

This is an SDB seedling out of Nut Ruffles and what I always thought of as veined spot. Is this wrong or are they both veined spots?

Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/ad8418
Imageavmoran
Sep 20, 2011 5:06 PM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
OK Now for SDBs

Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/50eeac Nut Ruffles is my go to SDB parent for either pollen or pod and it is very fertile both ways. I first used it because it just happened to be blooming when my first Arilbred seedling bloomed and I used it both ways. It is now the parent of 4 registered seedling three of which will be introduced next year and so many up and comming

X Lakeside Elf POLLEN Parent
Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/0e2a88 Blue Sand Elf
Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/324b3e Vlad's Daughter
Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/ffce3d Elvan Almost
Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/a6a683 Raven's Heart

X Lakeside Elf POD Parent
Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/340cda Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/a891c5 Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/471191
Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/0bcc22

Crossed with other SDBs proved just as interesting
X Red Rabbit
Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/cea9b6 Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/e2414f Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/d92d75

X Baby Blessed
Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/c1ecf7

Bees did not do as well here but this one was worth planting the seeds from the bee pod.
Thumb of 2011-09-20/avmoran/cfb8a1
Imageirisarian
Sep 20, 2011 5:12 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
Both the plants are a 'veined' spot. That spoting or veining from I. pumila appears in so many SDBs & not always know how it looks.
Imageirisarian
Sep 20, 2011 5:22 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
On one of my seedlings You can see both the solid spot + veining.Thumb of 2011-09-20/irisarian/20406f
Imageirisarian
Sep 20, 2011 5:24 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
Both parents had solid spots. I crossed for improvements to the plant & got those, but at a cost of the solid red spot which I was trying to get. Sad
Imageavmoran
Sep 21, 2011 5:21 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
hmmm
Imageavmoran
Sep 21, 2011 5:43 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
Thumb of 2011-09-21/avmoran/bf875f Earth and Sky is another SDB that I have just started to work with
the first cross I did was a self hoping to concentrate rebloom. Didn't happen but did get some nice carriers,

Thumb of 2011-09-21/avmoran/a4c450 opps forgot to add this to the MDBs above 3 buds, very fertile, great grower

Thumb of 2011-09-21/avmoran/46dedc Thumb of 2011-09-21/avmoran/412259 The rest of the cross was not worth keeping. You can see the yellow one in the back of the second picture great increaser but blooms all at once every bud so you get a great three day show then nothing.

Crossed with Blue Line
I got a wide range of forms and not sure what will happen with these since one is very nearly identical to the parent, one has problems blooming regularly and not sure I even like the second
Thumb of 2011-09-21/avmoran/04b0b2 Thumb of 2011-09-21/avmoran/aeb243 Thumb of 2011-09-21/avmoran/8aa936


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Imageavmoran
Sep 21, 2011 6:08 AM CST
Name: Anita Moran
Pylesville, MD Zone 6B
Thumb of 2011-09-21/avmoran/b90ad0 It So Fine I used once, boy was that a dumb move. Well at least I know and will use it in the future.
I crossed it with Minidragon hoping to get rid of the plicata markings well.....

Thumb of 2011-09-21/avmoran/5f980d The first bloom I was not really impressed but I kept the seedling because it did well in the storm that blew through while it opened.

Thumb of 2011-09-21/avmoran/91253f The second one was more interesting, yea its yellow but... well I kept it anyway

The next two surprised me for their lack of pattern
Thumb of 2011-09-21/avmoran/691ea3 Thumb of 2011-09-21/avmoran/1de0bb

Then these bloomed and I was hooked as Its So Fine as a parent.

Thumb of 2011-09-21/avmoran/862f5c Thumb of 2011-09-21/avmoran/b6f27b
Imageirisarian
Sep 21, 2011 6:48 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
The right hand picture so interesting. You can get no pattern with some plicatas. In the plicata 'series' there a purple no pattern color as well as the glaciata which sometimes has veins & often not.

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