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Imagegrannysgarden
Feb 9, 2015 5:15 AM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake, Arkansas, zone 7
The Magnolia Zone
No excuse for someone posting unauthorized photos or for them not responding to your concerns. I hope that they are just doing an in depth investigation and will respond in full with their findings. Perhaps it was a misguided member that used your photo and the people in charge are busy looking at other posts from this person. I hope it is resolved soon.
Imageauxiris
Feb 9, 2015 6:52 AM CST
Name: Michele
France
Let's hope so, Bonnie, though my complaint dates from more than two weeks ago, so I'm not exactly holding my breath. At any rate, even with some kind of response, the AIS board will get a letter. It's not so much for myself that I lament the discontinuation of things like no more certificates for HM or AM awards---not that any of my plants have yet been handed one---but imagine the breeder whose plant gets their first HM and then has nothing to show for it. It takes lots of hard work to get a plant to that point and the idea that the AIS is so strapped for cash that they cannot even afford a paper certificate because of expensive things like the wiki is very sad.
ImageMuddymitts
Feb 9, 2015 8:18 AM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Kentucky
I agree
Every day is a second chance. Every day is precious time.
Imageirisarian
Feb 9, 2015 10:55 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
yes, my awards are only 2 HMs & I was glad to get the certificates. Have to save the notices in 'Irises' Not the way to encourage breeders.
Imageauxiris
Feb 9, 2015 11:39 AM CST
Name: Michele
France
Certainly right, Lucy. . . and if the AIS isn't interested in things like encouraging breeders, then what good is the association? I know that it might look as if I'm throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but my idea of an iris association is one that looks both to the past AND to the future and part of that future is represented by people who are starting out with this great adventure that iris breeding is. I just don't understand how the AIS can neglect this side of things. While I can understand the basic reasoning behind the wiki, it looks to me to be something of a (very expensive) white elephant.
Imageirisarian
Feb 9, 2015 2:48 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
I am glad that the iris encyclopedia us there. If I see Bob Pries in May I will add to the complaints about photos being misused. I don't know how to post photos there. I am not very good with computers & get mine on sites because the mechanics are there & I can 'upload a photo'
Imagegrannysgarden
Feb 25, 2015 6:21 PM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake, Arkansas, zone 7
The Magnolia Zone
I hope they take all the issues seriously, Michele, and that AIS WIKI does not become something of an outdated and unused site. I agree that certificates are a big deal and should always be awarded.
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Imageirisarian
Feb 26, 2015 12:33 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
yes, My only awards are 2 HM & I appreciate them. wiki does say 'don't post someone else's photo. People should pay attention.
Imageauxiris
Feb 27, 2015 4:33 AM CST
Name: Michele
France
Hi everyone. . .

Thanks again for your input. I have now written a letter that I intend to post to the president, with e-mail copies to the entire board of directors. Not that I expect much in the way of results, but it's ridiculous that some aspects of the AIS get all the money they need whereas others---like the PAPER awards certificates, which must not cost all that much---get nothing.
Imageirisarian
Feb 27, 2015 9:11 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
They objected to the mailing costs, I am sure. They could make the certificates smaller so they could be sent in a business sized envelopes. I bet that they didn't think of that!
Imagelovemyhouse
Feb 27, 2015 10:42 AM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (Dallas)
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Michele, I don't know the extent of their membership, so can't comment on what revenues they may have on which to draw. Based on prior experience with costing out and implementing a similar process, though, rough costs would be: 8 1/2 x 11 certificate paper $0.27 per sheet; standard pocket folder for the certificate $0.65 each; 10x13 manila envelope $0.35 each; postage $2.27 per unit; and labor/printer ink/overhead roughly $3.12 assuming 15 minutes total labor at $10.00 per hour labor rate. So, about $6.70 each to produce and mail a handful of award recognition certificates that are given once a year. Half that if the labor is volunteer. If Lucy's idea was used, the cost would drop dramatically: 3-up paper stock would mean $0.08 each sheet; a standard #10 security letter envelope $0.07 each; postage $0.49; $3.12 labor/overhead = $3.76. Maybe something to suggest they consider when you write to them?
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Imagetveguy
Mar 6, 2015 1:38 PM CST
Name: Tom
Wisconsin
They could make a digital award and each person could print their own.

What is the cost of registering an iris?
Imageirisarian
Mar 6, 2015 4:33 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
$15. Tom. They are changed it depending on when you registered, but that was recinded & back to the $15. It is best to get a registration in early in the year as fall applications run un to the ones from overseas. Send fee & name, then you get a form back & you can fill our mesurments & description. Sorry, I can't seem to spell.
Imageauxiris
Mar 8, 2015 3:17 AM CST
Name: Michele
France
Hi all: Thanks once again for suggestions. . . Debra, might I copy your breakdown of the costs of mailing out award certificates, giving you credit for all the figures? Having lived outside the United States for nearly 30 years, I'm not much up on costs these days. Thanks very, very much for breaking it all down like that. Tom, the digital award suggestion is really good! May I suggest this in my letter as well, with appropriate credit to you, or are you perhaps planning on attending the convention? I do agree with the idea that it is good to offer suggestions when criticising the way things are actually; I'd rather go back to positive things after slapping the iris wiki around a bit.
Imagetveguy
Mar 8, 2015 5:47 AM CST
Name: Tom
Wisconsin
Not a problem for me, go ahead and suggest it. Smiling
Imageauxiris
Mar 18, 2015 8:30 AM CST
Name: Michele
France
Hello everyone; I have noticed yet another problem with the iris wiki recently. . . not being content with putting another photographer's name on one of my photos, they have now systematically removed all accents from my plants' French language iris names, names that I applied and paid for and that are officially recorded in the R&I books and the Checklist WITH their accents. I don't see how the people who are supposedly "working" for the iris wiki can defend such a thing. At any rate, the letter that I have just sent to the board of directors only deals with the negative side of things for the moment. Hopefully I will eventually have some kind of explication about what is going on!
Imagegrannysgarden
Mar 18, 2015 11:03 AM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake, Arkansas, zone 7
The Magnolia Zone
Oh, Michele, that is awful! It is hard to believe that people can be so ignorant as to change the spelling of a name to suit themselves. You cannot change the spelling of an irises name just because you do not understand the language. If that were true I could change the name of any iris I wanted. I could do away with singulars or plurals. Who thinks they have this authority! This is a huge issue. I would call, email, mail, whatever it takes to get that situation corrected. I rely on the AIS wiki site for correct information. How can I rely on then if someone is changing things to suit themselves. Just my two cents worth but this is not good.
Imageirisarian
Mar 18, 2015 12:32 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
Bob Preis is in charge of iris encyclopedia. Get after him.
Imageauxiris
Mar 20, 2015 1:53 AM CST
Name: Michele
France
Hi Bonnie: it isn't spelling changes, but accent removal which, in French, is a nonsense thing to do because the accents are there for pronunciation purposes. They have had the nerve to do the same thing with names of Jean Cayeux's plants, can you believe it and possibly other French language names which I haven't had time to check. I've already sent the AIS board of directors an open letter about this latest photo-filching attempt and also the accent issue; to his credit, the president contacted me right away and promised that the board would discuss the matter. Lucy, I'm above and beyond Bob Pries now. . . he had his chance to contact me, apologise and fix things and he didn't, so I went over his head.
Imagecrowrita1
Mar 20, 2015 6:44 AM CST
Name: Arlyn
Whiteside Co, Illinois Zone 5A
Michelle, do you mean the " ' ", like in Le'mon ? (this isn't the correct way to do it, I know , I'm told there is a way to do it on the keyboard, but I'm not "techie" enough to know how *Blush* )

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