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ImageGardenguy
Sep 15, 2015 5:46 AM CST
Name: Patrick
Toms River, New Jersey Zone 7
Yes, I agree totally with you, Bonnie - I don't know what the R41's mean either when they are referring to color. Is there some sort of website that will give us descriptions of what all those Codes refer to ? I just can never find a site that gives me enough information and/or Reviews of the Iris I have planted or the Irises I want to acquire, so I depend on the growers of the Irises here on Cubits.
Imagegrannysgarden
Sep 15, 2015 5:50 AM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake, Arkansas, zone 7
The Magnolia Zone
Patrick, I am sure there is a color chart somewhere but when I am looking up an iris I don't usually have time to search for it. I think a hybridizer would need one if they were going to use the codes as descriptions of their irises. If I find it I will bookmark it and share with everyone.
Imagecrowrita1
Sep 15, 2015 6:24 AM CST
Name: Arlyn
Whiteside Co, Illinois Zone 5A
The HIPS site, both current, and the 'old original", have 'example charts"....which show a picture of a 'representative' iris, that matches the 'color number", or , there are "written" charts, and, I agree, they leave a lot to be desired......a picture is worth ten thousand words, and all that.....but it really doesn't take too long to get the 'gist' of what the # designation is trying to tell you.
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Imageirisarian
Sep 15, 2015 10:38 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
Those are old odes which were used in former times. Perhaps if anyone has access to old ten y checklists in the 30s or 40s thy can look up those codes. Roots might be another source of codes. We managed to have a photo aphyla 'Prodan' listed as 1958 IB posted this year. Anyone with good photos, especially of older irises should send them to the wiki. they keep looking for photos.
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Imagecrowrita1
Sep 15, 2015 10:43 AM CST
Name: Arlyn
Whiteside Co, Illinois Zone 5A
This link should ( I Hope !) take you to the color chart (1939 checklist) that is on the "old" HIPS site. It has some "Example Photos", to help illustrate the colors http://www.worldiris.com/public_html/39-49_Color_Tables/39-4...
Imageirisarian
Sep 15, 2015 3:25 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
worked for me Arlyn.
Imagecrowrita1
Sep 15, 2015 3:49 PM CST
Name: Arlyn
Whiteside Co, Illinois Zone 5A
I wasn't sure the "pictures" would open correctly....got lucky !!

I think we tend to forget that "back in the day", when the AIS started, and "built" the color chart......color photography was rare, and "artist's renderings" weren't too accurate , as to color, either, so, coming up with a "device" that would explain what a person could expect out of an iris was quite an undertaking ! Some of the old "catalog descriptions" were very good, and referenced either the Ridgeway color chart, or the one from the RHS, so they gave an accurate , visual, reference, as to color...........other catalog descriptions, though.......and that is STILL the case........were VERY inaccurate as to both "description", as well as "accuracy of color rendition" in their pictures !

Even in the digital age....there can be, and are !....big differences in how our cameras "see' color, and how our monitors "display" it....especially in the Blue / Purple tones.and, if you throw in the color changes that different methods of culture can make........rich soil vs. poor soil, grown in full sun, or part shade, photographed on a sunny day, or an overcast one.......we STILL have our work cutout for us, as far as "getting the right color iris" goes !
ImageGardenguy
Sep 15, 2015 4:11 PM CST
Name: Patrick
Toms River, New Jersey Zone 7
I wish I could find more "Reviews" on some of the older Historic Iris that I have planted.
I look to see how vigorous, or hardy a particular variety is. But some of the ones I've
planted there just isn't a lot of information on, except from way back in the 1920's, or 1930's. So I have to ask members who may be growing the varieties I am, how they perform for them.
Imageirisarian
Sep 15, 2015 9:42 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
Still have weakness in photography--example: TB 'Land Down Under' has a neat blue violet blaze around the end of the beard. Mid-America catalog photo does not show it, although in the description. Photos from other people show it & the blaze really 'makes' the flower.
Imagecrowrita1
Sep 16, 2015 7:16 AM CST
Name: Arlyn
Whiteside Co, Illinois Zone 5A
If you are an 'on line" AIS member, Patrick, you can access all the past issues of the AIS bulletin......and browsing through those , a person can find lots of 'varietal comments', by members, from past conventions, and garden tours. The real trick is to get "local" (or at least "comparable climate") information.

I've noticed, Lucy, that since I have been "reading" both the AIS R & I information, and "catalog descriptions', and getting a better understanding of some of the terms that are used...I can "see" the iris, (even without a picture) much better, in my mind's eye.....BUT, I have ALSO noticed that some descriptors' use of the 'terms'....are very optimistic !!! For instance, describing Victoria Falls as "tall, and stately" ...REALLY means that it stretches out a LONG way on the ground ! Rolling on the floor laughing But , to be fair....if I could see it , growing where it was hybridized, and first described, it might BE "tall and stately"!!
ImageGardenguy
Sep 16, 2015 7:39 AM CST
Name: Patrick
Toms River, New Jersey Zone 7
No, Arlyn, unfortunately I am not an "online" AIS Member. I'm just a regular member of the AIS, and get their bulletins, infact I think I ordered past bulletins going back to 2012,
along with the HIPS ROOTS bulletins. I'm really trying to find out how vigorous and hardy my Historic Iris are in my climate Zone here in New Jersey, and find out who might be growing any of the Iris I have in my garden in my area, and what their experience is with them. Some of my Historic Iris I can only find very space information on regarding their performance in the garden.
Imageirisarian
Sep 16, 2015 8:06 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
Not on line member either. I find it difficult & John would refuse to read it as well. We have a collection of 'bulletins' although not an index & lately the hybridizing information is nil in those. While we have some historics we are not a collector of them.
Imageirisloverdee
Sep 16, 2015 1:15 PM CST
Name: Dee Stewart
Willamette Valley OR
Snowpeak Iris
I do not post pictures on Wiki because it takes too much time and trouble, if you will note I do not know of many if any of the hybridizers themselves that have the time.

I like ATP and Cubits for the simple reason it is faster and you do not have to know the class.

In doing Wiki in my opinion they made it harder and less efficient
Denise Stewart
541-259-2343
Snowpeak http://snowpeakiris.com

Imagegrannysgarden
Sep 16, 2015 2:28 PM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake, Arkansas, zone 7
The Magnolia Zone
And I think Cubits and ATP are better monitored. Just my humble opinion but when an iris is posted on ATP that does not match the description the poster gets to chat with one of the people in charge to discuss the photo. I know that the color of an iris is different from one area to the next but not totally different. And I think Kent searches for correct photos to fill in the ATP database so that we can see the photos. Wiki still has historical info that I find necessary an since it is the first place I did iris research I am fond of it.
Imageauxiris
Sep 19, 2015 9:52 AM CST
Name: Michele
France
Hi everyone; I have to agree that it is quite difficult to appreciate colour chart references if you don't actually possess the colour chart in question and there are several that are in use. I currently use the RHS mini-colour chart, which is good enough for the number of irises I register per year. The cost of the full sized chart is quite high (over 100£ and the mini chart is already over 25£), so I haven't sprung for the complete one yet. Would like to have it, but running expenses haven't allowed such a purchase. For those of you unfamiliar with how this particular colour chart works, it's set up very much like paint chips, with a hole in the middle of each one so you can put it right over the part of the flower you're searching for a colour match on---which may sound simple, but it isn't always.
Imagegrannysgarden
Sep 19, 2015 10:27 AM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake, Arkansas, zone 7
The Magnolia Zone
That makes sense, Michele. I have never had that kind of color chart but I have had the paint chips on a ring.
Imageirisarian
Sep 19, 2015 3:48 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
The only problem is that it is not exact. You have to say near such a number. We got ours when it was a lot cheaper. I don't know which chart Keith Keppel comes up with. It must be an artist's chart of some sort as he comes up with fantastic descriptions.
Imagecrowrita1
Sep 19, 2015 4:13 PM CST
Name: Arlyn
Whiteside Co, Illinois Zone 5A
I've thought about the RHS chart, several times, but, as you said, Michele, it's pretty darn pricey ! I did get a "copy" of the Ridgeway book, and, while it's probably "off" a bit, on some of the colors....it's "close enough" for my purposes. Just being able to see what " ampharo purple", or whatever wild name they call the color, looks like is a boon. I have *trouble* seeing violets, purples, and blues, and , as you say, holding up that "color chip" against the fall of the iris is a help to me. I'm not really *into* garden planning, or color co ordinating my flowers to the extent,, that a lot of folks are.... so "light blue", is good enough, without seeing the difference between 'cornflower blue", and 'robin's egg blue".
Imageirisarian
Sep 19, 2015 8:06 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
'robin's egg' has a tint of turquoise, Arlyn.
Imagegrannysgarden
Sep 20, 2015 3:04 AM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake, Arkansas, zone 7
The Magnolia Zone
Robin's Egg is on my wish list. So many of the little ones are getting very hard to find now. There are not a lot of sources that grow the medians and they are growing mostly the newer ones now. I guess it has to be about profit but I wish they were not so scarce. I have been looking for Quail Hollow, Priwall, Bird's Nest, Elephant's Footprint and Hummingbird's Blessings for a couple of years.

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