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Imageirisarian
Jun 19, 2015 7:22 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
No entry either
Imageauxiris
Jun 19, 2015 8:04 AM CST
Name: Michele
France
Lucy, you need to click on the images to see the information.
ImageMShadow
Jun 19, 2015 10:30 AM CST
Name: Marilyn Campbell
Houghton Lake, MI
That is really terrible. Thumbs down
Imageirisloverdee
Jun 19, 2015 4:06 PM CST
Name: Dee Stewart
Willamette Valley OR
Snowpeak Iris
Wish AIS would monitor in a different way, as why let pictures in that are clearly incorrect yet go and correct a corrections does not make sense to me either Michelle

D
Denise Stewart
541-259-2343
Snowpeak http://snowpeakiris.com

Imageauxiris
Jun 20, 2015 2:53 AM CST
Name: Michele
France
Hi everyone and thanks for your comments. It may seem like something of a tempest in a teapot but I do sincerely believe that all this nonsense with the AIS' iris wiki is detrimental to the association. Since the AIS holds the iris registry for the entire planet, I believe that with this comes a certain amount of responsibility, such as the idea that all the information the AIS website holds should be in conformity with the information contained in the Checklists---and that includes things like accents on different language names. Otherwise, to strip them of their accents is tantamount to misspelling. Posting obviously incorrect photos is just silly. . . if this wiki thing is supposed to be a "research tool" and costs a lot of money per year to maintain online, then the AIS is wasting money and your time. The very idea of treating someone who takes the time and trouble to signal these mistakes and inaccuracies as if they were being nit-picky is insulting. I still do not have any concrete answers to the issues I raised with the board of directors.
Imageauxiris
Jul 16, 2015 12:25 PM CST
Name: Michele
France
Another stupid mistake made by Betsy Higgins, who insists on changing my iris names from their correct spellings to apparently whatever she feels like writing. . . this plant's proper name is "CÅ“ur d'Hiver".

Thumb of 2015-07-16/auxiris/ff638c
Imagegrannysgarden
Jul 16, 2015 4:58 PM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake, Arkansas, zone 7
The Magnolia Zone
sad
Imageirisarian
Jul 16, 2015 6:38 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
disgusting. THAT needs a correction.
Imagegrannysgarden
Jul 17, 2015 8:24 AM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake, Arkansas, zone 7
The Magnolia Zone
There is no excuse for going into a database and changing the correct name of a plant to an incorrect one. I do not understand the reasoning behind this.
Imageirisloverdee
Jul 17, 2015 8:51 AM CST
Name: Dee Stewart
Willamette Valley OR
Snowpeak Iris
Look at Cafe Mocha as it has the accent mark over the A

D
Denise Stewart
541-259-2343
Snowpeak http://snowpeakiris.com

Imagecrowrita1
Jul 17, 2015 9:21 AM CST
Name: Arlyn
Whiteside Co, Illinois Zone 5A
Well, I'll admit that "It shouldn't be".....what ever the "spelling" of the original registration....is, and should...remain, unaltered. That's part of the whole point of registering , in the first place! That said, my "formal" education was so long ago, I've forgotten what most "accent' marks really are "supposed" to do (IF I ever paid enough attention ,to learn it in the first place !). Unless I "hear" a name, or word, spoken (hopefully in the correct way !) ,I'm pretty much "saying it in my head", the way I THINK it should sound......and that's usually not correct !

I know (from comments on other forums) that the "problem" IS being looked at, and worked on.......part of the issue is just plain "pilot error", but , a large part of the issue is ,apparently, "web related'....the "program" want's to "correct itself" when it detects what it "THINKS" are errors. Hopefully, they will be able to take care of the issue....but, we all have to remember that the folks doing the entries, as well as any corrections, picture additions....everything....are 'just folks'.....VOLUNTEER folks, who are doing their best, and are probably getting pretty upset about both the "issues " they are having with the program, and the criticism they are getting, as I'm sure they feel they are "doing the best they can". The AIS, as well as all it's" branches" have a problem with "enough money', as well as with "enough volunteers" to do everything they want, or NEED to do. I'll put my "soap box" away, now I tip my hat to you.
ImageMShadow
Jul 17, 2015 10:29 AM CST
Name: Marilyn Campbell
Houghton Lake, MI
So sorry you are going through this. It doesn't make sense. No one should change what the hybridizer puts down as the correct information. Thumbs down
Imageirisarian
Jul 17, 2015 3:32 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
webs do self correct in a funny way. Every time I type I. reticulata it changes the last a to an e. I just changed it back as usual & it underlined it in red which only I can see. Grumbling
ImageMuddymitts
Jul 17, 2015 8:28 PM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Kentucky
My Android cell phone is the same way -- just arbitrarily changes my spelling. Aggravates the h*ll out of me!! My poor sister Barb has had to reconcile herself to being called *Barn*. Grumbling
Every day is a second chance. Every day is precious time.
Imageauxiris
Jul 19, 2015 8:57 AM CST
Name: Michele
France
All right, my turn to use the soap box. . . here we go, point by point.

1) That the problem is being worked on is great and I am quite glad to hear it. I have seen nothing about anything being fixed, so how could I know? I don’t go to the wiki everyday to check what’s going on, mainly because I have other things to do, such as coping with a drought and massive heat wave. All I have seen on the wiki itself are that the errors were still there and I said nothing more about it until seeing the latest mess concerning my plant Cœur d’Hiver—which had been previously untouched. Since I formally complained to the AIS board of directors, it would have been normal that I hear about that from the person who runs the wiki about what is being done to fix the problem. I would like to remind everyone that I was lied to by the board about the nature of the wiki problems (for what reason, I can’t imagine) and then insulted to boot and told that I was the one who should apologise for saying something I never said. If it seems arrogant that I should take exception to this kind of treatment, well then I’m sorry if it does, but that’s how I feel.
2) About volunteers. . . there is no reason why volunteer help (for anything) shouldn’t be able to do just as good and accurate a job as someone who is paid and also to take the time to check and re-check their information. If a job is worth doing, whether volunteer work or remunerated work, it is worth doing well. An e-mail is rapid and doesn’t take much time. If there are mistakes made---and we all do---I would think that the normal thing to do would be to admit there are mistakes, do what’s necessary to correct them and apologise. Furthermore, I never asked that someone make me a hybridizer page; they just went ahead and did it---but the least they could have done is get it right. Once again, no one ever contacted me. Now as far as being criticised is concerned, we all are at one time or another: Generally speaking, the minute anyone does anything, they leave themselves open to criticism and if one cannot accept the idea that their actions aren’t appreciated by absolutely everyone, the solution is obvious.
3) Photo theft. . . as I may have said previously, I have had a number of problems with various wiki «volunteers» posting my photos without permission, the most recent of which was the repeated unauthourised use of my photo of Comédie Française and this time around, the photo credits for which were given to another photographer. I did contact the person credit was given to, who informed me that she had never even seen the plant, let alone photographed it. I have taken a lot of flak from both wiki volunteers and the board of directors for defending my ownership of my photographs and retaining the right to decide who can and cannot use them. Before the recent spring board meeting, someone on the board even expressed a doubt as to whether I was the owner of the Comédie Française photo and I had to go looking for the original raw camera-numbered photo to prove it. After the board meeting, he claimed that I had never sent the requested information about the photo, which is untrue. Result: I now refuse to submit any of my photographs of my cultivars to the AIS. If they want photos of my plants, they can wait until they’re on the market and take their own photos. Moreover, I fail to see the interest of publishing photos of plants that are not yet introduced.
4) Money. . . I have read in the AIS board meeting minutes---which anyone can access on the AIS website---that the wiki costs $2,000 a year to maintain on line. I won’t go into how much money the AIS paid out to have their website redesigned as I am not absolutely sure of the amount and I would rather not state inaccurate information, but I have heard a few astronomical figures attached to this renovation. Since I am not an AIS member, one could argue that I don’t really have the right to talk about how they spend their money, I suppose, but when one stops to think that the AIS no longer issues even so much as a paper certificate for plants winning HM or AM awards, it seems a somewhat unbalanced set of values.
5) The last point I would like to make is simply that, since the American Iris Society is the organisation that holds the planetary register for all rhizomatous irises, it is reasonable to expect the so-called iris encyclopedia part of their website to give the same information that is given in the official iris register. If the iris wiki is intended to be a research tool, it must as accurate as possible and that includes proper and complete spelling of iris names.

That’s about it. . . my point of view and I’m sticking to it.
ImageDaveinPA
Jul 19, 2015 4:07 PM CST
Name: Dave
south central PA, Zone 6a
Well said and very correct Michele. I do hope they are really doing something and get serious about being a world class organisation.
Imagegrannysgarden
Jul 19, 2015 9:14 PM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake, Arkansas, zone 7
The Magnolia Zone
I want to thank you, Michelle, for saying "2) About volunteers. . . there is no reason why volunteer help (for anything) shouldn’t be able to do just as good and accurate a job as someone who is paid and also to take the time to check and re-check their information."

I retired from an NPO that would not be as greatly successful as it is without volunteers and I have had some of the most intelligent, dedicated and hard working people working as a volunteer under my supervision. If they are passionate enough about something to volunteer their personal time, which is a valuable commodity in itself, then they will be doing the best job they can. If the job they are doing does not meet specs then their supervisor needs to thank them and either move them to a job that they can do or give them a going away party. It should always come back to the paid supervisor and should always be addressed and corrected. I love volunteers and know that if encouraged and given the right tools and information they can do wonders.
Imageauxiris
Jul 20, 2015 1:32 AM CST
Name: Michele
France
Thanks very much, Dave and Bonnie for your kind words. I, too hope that the AIS will wake up and get their priorities straight; there's a lot of house-cleaning to do.
ImageMuddymitts
Jul 20, 2015 7:39 AM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Kentucky
It may be a question of not enough volunteers, and an overwhelming amount of work. With all the thousands of Iris varieties, and all of the details pertaining to every single one of them, the task seems daunting. And it may be a question of a particular volunteer not liking or not being particularly skilled at the job that he/she is doing.

I do agree that correct information should be a priority.
Every day is a second chance. Every day is precious time.
Imageirisarian
Jul 20, 2015 9:16 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
A species iris which we grow I. aphylla 'Prodan' seems to be missing from the list. I have to see if I can get it installed. We are digging some for our club sale next weekend.

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