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Imageirisloverdee
Mar 22, 2016 6:28 PM CST
Name: Dee Stewart
Willamette Valley OR
Snowpeak Iris
I either bold or underline or both....

D
Denise Stewart
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Snowpeak http://snowpeakiris.com

Imageirisarian
Mar 22, 2016 8:32 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
Good to have people here who know what they are doing with computers. I have little training with them.
ImageMuddymitts
Mar 22, 2016 8:34 PM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Kentucky
Bold is good -- because it enhances a word without the appearance of shouting.........

I have the option of bold, italicized, etc. -- in my email program. But I don't see that option here, for instance.

Bonnie -- thanks for the explanation of how to underline -- I did not know. Not sure I have grasped it yet, but appreciate the information.

Every day is a second chance. Every day is precious time.
CLUSIANA
Mar 23, 2016 2:09 AM CST
Thanks to you all.So underlining is part of the BB code tools.
Lucy on your keyboard to write a bracket you have to use the keys alt+bracket [ (upper key 5 on the left) for the left bracket, then you have to put (u for underline, center, b for bold, i for italic) thand close the command by a right bracket ] you will get with the key Alt+the dey afterthe 0 (.)])write your text and at the end you have to do the same but with a slash before the command. The easier way is to copy the BB code you put at the beginning, to paste it at the end and to add the slash.
If you are not writing the right way you will not obtain what you want, but it is easy to check and change the typing mistakes.
So thanks Bonnie Here is an example for Lucy

if I do not enter the command properly
if I do not enter the command properly[u]
You see that the [u] appears on the right;I did not put the slash before the u on the right

Adding it
[u]if I enter the command properly


That does not work Bonnie. As you see at the end when adding add the first [u] remains visible. When I preview my post I did not put any code on the second line underlined which got underlined.

Well morning here. I am going to wake up and if you see why and what went wrong please let me know.

I have been learning BB code to do nice posts on both Cubits and ATP. Rolling on the floor laughing
Imagegrannysgarden
Mar 23, 2016 3:07 AM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake, Arkansas, zone 7
The Magnolia Zone
This may be a better explanation. It would be more expedient if we were working alongside and learning as we go.

[b]this is bold
[i]this is italic
[u]this is underlined
[s]this is strike through
[b][i][u]combine multiple styles
[c]this is centered

After each of the above add the closing bracket or brackets exactly like the brackets at the beginning only adding a / inside each bracket and before each letter in each bracket and you should get the desired result. I should practice this more often but I am a lazy typist. I think texting on a cell phone has made me even worse. And sometimes my computer refuses to do my bidding.

I hope this makes sense. Sometimes I assume that people know what I am thinking and do not communicate clearly. It is early morning here and I am ready for the day to begin. I have many little iris buds waiting to open. smiles.....
Imageauxiris
Mar 23, 2016 3:37 AM CST
Name: Michele
France
This discussion concerning correct Internet use, language and all is very interesting. . . but it does distract just a bit from the core problem: being tossed out like last week's trash with no explication and no second chance. I think I have decided for myself that ATP certainly isn't for me! I don't need that kind of grief. When I take the time away from what else I have to do (keeping my enormous garden in line, fixing our old house so that it is fit to live in permanently and organising our eventual cross-country move which is to take place sometime this year) to write longish posts explaining my photograph policy, such as the ones that got me tossed from ATP, I expect to be listened to and treated with a certain amount of respect. I wasn't, so that's that and as I said earlier, given the chance I'd have closed the account myself. I have to wonder about all these folks who control a forum site, a Facebook group or whatever (you know who you are) and who treat others as if they were little children and threaten them with banishment just because they say something honest or straight out without dancing around the issue.

There is certainly a lot that is wrong with the iris world, on both sides of the ocean. It's much too big a problem to be dealt with successfully by just a few people, particularly when the associative world concerned with irises is often controlled by those who are only interested in promoting. . . themselves. It's a long, hard road to putting even one new cultivar in front of the iris-admiring public; that's fine, I'm not afraid of hard work, never have been, but I'm much happier off in my little corner creating all by myself than I am trying to be a respected member of any association or group. A very happy spring to all here.
ImageMuddymitts
Mar 23, 2016 5:31 AM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Kentucky
So I'm testing this.

[s] this is a strike through?[s]

Well -- that didn't work -- what did I do wrong?
Every day is a second chance. Every day is precious time.
ImageMuddymitts
Mar 23, 2016 5:37 AM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Kentucky
Trying again:

this is a strike through

Aha! It worked! I re-read your first explanation Bonnie. Smiling
Every day is a second chance. Every day is precious time.
ImageMuddymitts
Mar 23, 2016 5:45 AM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Kentucky
Michele -- I have no explanation for you. I wasn't offended by your initial post -- I don't know why anyone was. Several other people have expressed the same feeling. Dave is the only person who could explain that to you -- and if you're not inclined to ask him, then you'll never know and it becomes a moot point. If it were I, I would probably want the explanation. But -- that's me.

You have peaked my curiosity -- why are you expending so much time and energy working on a house that you plan to leave behind soon? Inquiring minds want to know! Big Yellow Grin Also -- if you don't mind my asking -- why are you making a cross-country move? I'm also curious why an American is living in France to begin with............. Rolling my eyes.
Every day is a second chance. Every day is precious time.
Imageauxiris
Mar 23, 2016 6:17 AM CST
Name: Michele
France
Fixing the house that we're expecting to move into, not from.

Not very inclined to ask a close-minded person like Dave anything.
ImageMuddymitts
Mar 23, 2016 11:33 AM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Kentucky
Ah. That makes much more sense............. Whistling
Every day is a second chance. Every day is precious time.
CLUSIANA
Dec 25, 2016 8:58 AM CST
Updating or facts and evidences
Further to the above I would like to add the following.
On September 14, 2016 I gave the right information to Cathy Egerer about the iris 'Korsabad' being wrong in the Garden.org database. Further to that she has been asking to delete the wrong information from the said database on September 19th, 2016

Thumb of 2016-12-25/CLUSIANA/5e3434

On March 3, 2016 Kent Pfeiffer (moderator) wrote over ATP
3. You can simply propose the deletion of the picture (or move it to the correct entry, if known). However, when one member proposes deleting another member's picture, I won't do anything until I've had a chance to talk to the owner of the picture myself. So, expect such proposals to sit in the queue for awhile.

The fact is that since the wrong information have been posted on ATP which became Garden.org in the meantime they have been staying there without being contested. Since only one has been disputed further to the information I have given I am asking if 'to sit in the queue for awhile' means 'when pigs fly'.

Once again I feel very sorry both for members expecting accurate information from any database and for the knowledge about French irises.

C.




ImageSpringGreen
Jan 20, 2017 5:42 AM CST
Name: Betsy
Utah
auxiris wrote:I really had thought that I'd finished saying what I had on my mind, but there is one thing more, something to think about: if Keith Keppel, Joe Ghio, Barry Blyth, Paul Black or any number of other hybridizers had said exactly what I said (which everyone here seems to agree was not at all out of line), no one would ever have thought for a split second of cancelling their membership. And think about this, too: it could be you someday, if you should decide to express a point of view that just happens to rub other people the wrong way and then someone suddenly decides you are just a little bit too «disruptive» or not «peaceful» enough when you actually had something important to say. Just saying.


Been there, done that. No one wants you to tell them they are wrong or for you to substantiate your position... and they don't want you to magnify their flaws or peculiarities regardless of how willing to learn or friendly they attempt to project themselves. It hurts their feelings and it provokes a response in them to magnify, create, or invent a reason to retaliate. We are afterall, dealing with folks who have a lot of pride in what they do. You can't trash ATP if you want to be a member.... the Admins put forth a ton of effort and openly degrading them is not productive. (That could be the problem) As you mentioned about status... it is true that the spelling of your name will determine whether or not what you say is acceptable. You will find that to be true in almost any established circle. Garden.org wants a more gentle environment and I don't say I blame them. Don't rock the garden boat. I am actually a Super Mod from a conservative opinionated political news sight. I am used to being challenged so it doesn't impede me or hurt tender feelings when it happens and I have a tendency to respond in attorney like fashion. ATP is not the place for that. I made the mistake myself but Dave has been merciful and not given me the Axe which I am greatful for. Sometimes... no matter how wrong another person is or how wrong they are about you and your intentions... things are better left unsaid. When I received a public notification that I was banned from one of the forums because I had hurt some feelings ( I wasn't really banned at that point) I went through the forum and quickly removed personal pictures I had posted of myself or family.., Also personal information I had posted. I thought it was wrong to leave my personal info in that forum and at the hands of those forum members who appeared were collaborating to harm me. (I forgive them but wouldn't trust them) After I "liked" a few comments some members realized their first attempt to ban me had not succeeded so they persued the course..... (Not because "liking" a comment is a violation... or because I had posted anything since they thought I was banned. It was to satisfy their anger. I personally think that Dave is quite reasonable... he definitely put up with a bit of my own grumpiness a time or two. but.... he has to keep his community happy. I don't think you should blame Dave for everything. As a mod on a forum I can tell you that we have secret Mod threads where we discuss issues before the conclusion happens but Admin. has the final say on sight banning. Every Mod has ability to ban you and can pressure Admin to do it. As mods on my news forum we uphold the final decision even if one does not agree. Also, mods and long time members on my sight have formed a sort of family clique behind the scenes and we don't like to see our family offended despite how fair we try to be. Keep that in mind on all Internet forums.

In big time political arena we put up with a lot more emotion and debate than a simple garden forum will. It's important to keep in mind which circle you are dealing with. None of us are perfect.

I am a budding garden novice... I have a lot of learning to do. Whenever I have questions that pertain directly to growing... I SEEK my advice from the big professional names but I pay attention to what the little folks (like me) are saying too. Most Everyone is valuable even if some don't see it. Except those who intentional try to hurt others.. I am looking forward to reading all your commentaries. I'm sure I can learn from your knowledge and experience. Hurray!
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ImageSpringGreen
Jan 20, 2017 5:51 AM CST
Name: Betsy
Utah
auxiris wrote:This discussion concerning correct Internet use, language and all is very interesting. . . but it does distract just a bit from the core problem: being tossed out like last week's trash with no explication and no second chance. I think I have decided for myself that ATP certainly isn't for me! I don't need that kind of grief. When I take the time away from what else I have to do (keeping my enormous garden in line, fixing our old house so that it is fit to live in permanently and organising our eventual cross-country move which is to take place sometime this year) to write longish posts explaining my photograph policy, such as the ones that got me tossed from ATP, I expect to be listened to and treated with a certain amount of respect. I wasn't, so that's that and as I said earlier, given the chance I'd have closed the account myself. I have to wonder about all these folks who control a forum site, a Facebook group or whatever (you know who you are) and who treat others as if they were little children and threaten them with banishment just because they say something honest or straight out without dancing around the issue.

There is certainly a lot that is wrong with the iris world, on both sides of the ocean. It's much too big a problem to be dealt with successfully by just a few people, particularly when the associative world concerned with irises is often controlled by those who are only interested in promoting. . . themselves. It's a long, hard road to putting even one new cultivar in front of the iris-admiring public; that's fine, I'm not afraid of hard work, never have been, but I'm much happier off in my little corner creating all by myself than I am trying to be a respected member of any association or group. A very happy spring to all here.



I'm coming to France in August 2017. Send me a message and perhaps I could visit that enormous garden of yours if I'm in your area.

As far as "promoting themselves" you will find people do that in most any arena... I would capitalize instead of bold my letters so a few thought I was yelling. And I made long posts like this one... that some dubbed to be a lecture instead of a discussion. It's an individual perception. But I will say that the gardeners are far more willing to share successes. That's what these garden forums are all about. Sharing successes and knowledge. 😊🌹 (I just shared some of my own knowledge with you. I hope something I say here is useful.)

(I do understand how you feel. When I was banned from one forum I received many secret private messages from other ATP members who saw what happened to me and felt I was treated unjustly by others. I had enough support during that time it did not discourage me but it opened my eyes. I hope you have had support also. Two strong ATP members actually told me they stopped posting in that particular forum when they saw how I was treated. I encouraged them not to limit themselves for my sake. 😊 Maybe banning IS or is NOT unjust... much of that determination is held through the eyes of each individual. Simetimes it's a mean spirited act. Sometimes it's an act of wisdom.

Sometimes... Admin. Has to make hard decisions and determine which members or contributors are more valuable. In my case I was less valuable but that doesn't mean in the future I cannot be more valuable. It's a matter of learning from mistakes. There are team standards and personal standards. It takes time to figure out what those are.👍🏻)

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ImageMuddymitts
Jan 20, 2017 8:18 AM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Kentucky
Well -- I can't tell you how unhappy I am to see this new poster -- Spring Green -- on this forum. Most of the self-serving information posted above is pure garbage. No one collaborated against you Betsy -- and nobody's "feelings were hurt". You were obnoxious and the relief when you no longer had access to the Iris forums was palpable.

Since you have taken it upon yourself to join this forum, I shall take it upon myself to vacate it. I do not care for your company.

Michele and Clusiana -- be careful with whom you align yourself. Some people are trouble-makers -- and like to *stir the pot*.
Every day is a second chance. Every day is precious time.
ImageSpringGreen
Jan 20, 2017 10:13 AM CST
Name: Betsy
Utah
I have been a member of this forum since June of 2016. Forgive me if I upset you, hurt your feelings, or offended you by commenting Maryanne. It was unintentional. I was just trying to be kind.
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Imageauxiris
Jan 27, 2017 6:05 AM CST
Name: Michele
France
Not that I'm a frequent visitor these days, but I had wind of this most recent go-round and have a few remarks to make. . .

First of all, I'm with you, Mary Ann; very likely I won't be here much longer either.

Now, I would just like to say that my posts concerning ATP date from nearly a year ago. The issue is finished and I've already said all I have to say about it and THERE IS NO NEED to resurrect this discussion---and certainly not to tell me that someone understands how I feel. You do not and the matter is finished. I don't much care what you think of me or what I wrote and I don't much appreciate that you quoted me either. In short, I don't need your "help", your "knowledge" or your point of view. I think you're a troublemaker. . . but that's only what I think.


ImageSpringGreen
Jan 27, 2017 7:49 AM CST
Name: Betsy
Utah
Ok. Forgive me. I didn't notice the date. I'll refrain from quoting and expressing my opinion to you. I'm am sorry if mentioning it was hurtful and I'm sorry if I caused you a problem. It's a nice forum. I hope you choose to stay.
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