Main forum: IMO-what is that?

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MoonTea
May 9, 2011 4:56 AM CST
Name: Sher
Hilo
Do what you love, love what you do
IMO stands for indigenous microorganisms. You may have heard of EM, effective microorganism, or bokashi, they're not local. We want the local guys. Introducing strangers can upset the natural balance.
It's easy to make. Get a free copy online from CTAHR at http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/BIO-9.pdf
Imagebitbit
May 11, 2011 7:39 AM CST
Name: bit
Eastern VA and NC
Zone 7b/8a
That's interesting. I've always tried to feed my naturally-occurring soil microbes rather than bring in new ones.

I'm just curious, but how different/distant do you consider still "local"? My city has no undisturbed forests (I can find some within about half an hour's drive, but it would be difficult/illegal to set up a box there). The only undeveloped land nearby is salt marsh, which obviously has a different microbial community. If I set this up on my friend's property two hours north of here, would it be as effective?
Imagestormyla
May 11, 2011 8:22 AM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
This is a tremendous amount of work, not that it wouldn't be worth it if it really does work.

I have similar questions to bit. My soil is radically different than that in the woods, which are fairly close by. Would the microbes thrive in my soil? I have a real wind erosion problem.
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AlohaHoya
May 11, 2011 2:23 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
Hey, Sher...you must be a neighbour!!! Are you on BISS?

So glad you started this cubit! KNF is really very interesting...AND I find it is a lot of work, but worth the effort. I cheat and buy IMO 4 out at the Pig Farm .....

I am really interested in the natural insecticides. While I don't have a lot of insects...I fight the slugs and snails a lot!!!

a hui hou,
Carol
Leap. The net will appear.
MoonTea
May 11, 2011 8:40 PM CST
Name: Sher
Hilo
Do what you love, love what you do
bitbit wrote: I'm just curious, but how different/distant do you consider still "local"? My city has no undisturbed forests (I can find some within about half an hour's drive, but it would be difficult/illegal to set up a box there). The only undeveloped land nearby is salt marsh, which obviously has a different microbial community. If I set this up on my friend's property two hours north of here, would it be as effective?


What you are looking for is leaf mold, semi-decomposed leaf litter. Ideally you should be able to see white as you sift through the leaves. Perhaps there is a park or stand of trees nearby? Ideally you collect microbes at an elevation about 500-1000 feet higher than where you are. The concept is that nutrients run downhill, and that life is a little bit harder at a higher elevation so the microbes uphill from you are a bit tougher, more resilient.

Another concept in natural farming is to use what is available to you. If you drive a couple of hours to collect microbes, that is your option, that is still more local than a commercial product from Japan.

Keep in mind that you can bring the leaf litter home and do it where you live.
MoonTea
May 11, 2011 9:00 PM CST
Name: Sher
Hilo
Do what you love, love what you do
stormyla wrote:This is a tremendous amount of work, not that it wouldn't be worth it if it really does work.

I have similar questions to bit. My soil is radically different than that in the woods, which are fairly close by. Would the microbes thrive in my soil? I have a real wind erosion problem.


As with methods like permaculture, it may take a little bit of work to set up the system, but part of the concept is to let nature do a lot of the work so you don't have to do as much. It is meant to save effort, and that has been my experience.

I believe the microbes would thrive in your soil. If you have wind erosion you want to disturb the soil as little as possible. If you give the microbes a chance to structurally change the soil less can be blown away and the soil will hold onto more water and nutrients.

Korean Natural Farming is a no-till method, no plowing, no tilling, no digging. Doesn't that sound like less work?
Imagestormyla
May 11, 2011 9:02 PM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
Now that would make it a lot easier. Sher, What amount of yield would you get ftrom a box? The purpose of this is to treat the food beds and not the ornamentals right?
Imagestormyla
May 11, 2011 9:05 PM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
Thanks Sher. I don't till anything now,.I love my microherd. Hilarious! Hilarious!
MoonTea
May 11, 2011 9:19 PM CST
Name: Sher
Hilo
Do what you love, love what you do
AlohaHoya wrote:Hey, Sher...you must be a neighbour!!! Are you on BISS?

So glad you started this cubit! KNF is really very interesting...AND I find it is a lot of work, but worth the effort. I cheat and buy IMO 4 out at the Pig Farm .....

I am really interested in the natural insecticides. While I don't have a lot of insects...I fight the slugs and snails a lot!!!

a hui hou,
Carol

Aloha Carol, I wouldn't call getting IMO 4 at the pig farm as cheating....

BTW I have a couple of pigs now, have never cleaned out the kennel, and it is absolutely clean with no smell. It's been about 3 months now. It was one thing to visit the pig farm, another to actually try it and see day after day no smell!

We made egg yolk seed oil yesterday. Want some? Also I have a fermented plant juice for slugs and snails I want to try...but I don't have too many because I have ducks. Can I give you some of that and have you test it for me? Let me know, Sherri
(yes on BISS)



MoonTea
May 11, 2011 9:25 PM CST
Name: Sher
Hilo
Do what you love, love what you do
stormyla wrote:Now that would make it a lot easier. Sher, What amount of yield would you get ftrom a box? The purpose of this is to treat the food beds and not the ornamentals right?

I don't know the exact yields, but one box of IMO 1 can be used to make a few hundred pounds of IMO 4, the form put on the soil. You can put it on everything and everything. Turn that microherd into a micro-army Hurray!

Let me know if you want me to post the shortcuts. It won't go as far and it may take longer to build up in the soil, but they are ready to use faster. You can go right from IMO 2 to spraying or innoculate water and use that directly.
AlohaHoya
May 11, 2011 11:14 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
Sher...I would love to meet you and accept with aloha your offer!!! How can I get in touch with you....send me a Cmail!!!

Would love to know more about the NFM too...it all seems so complicated but I wonder... Confused
Leap. The net will appear.
MoonTea
May 12, 2011 2:41 PM CST
Name: Sher
Hilo
Do what you love, love what you do
Carol, I'll get in touch with you. Thanks for your support. I am trying to un-complicate Natural Farming.
Imageatenkley
May 12, 2011 5:00 PM CST
Name: Arlan Ten Kley
Robertsdale, AL
....always taking a closer look!
Hi everyone, I can see this is going to be an enjoyable learning experience/journey! Very interesting. - Arlan
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