Financial aspects forum: How have you coped with the rising price of smoking?

 
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Imagezuzu
Jun 11, 2010 11:18 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
I changed brands about 20 years ago. I always smoked Pall Malls, but when they started getting too expensive, I smoked a variety of cheaper non-filtered cigarettes. My choice was Smokin' Joe's for the last decade, but I recently switched to Native non-filtered. They taste just like Pall Malls and cost only about $20 a carton through the mail from Seneca in New York. Sadly, that option will no longer exist after June 30th this year.
Imagegemini_sage
Jun 12, 2010 6:36 AM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY
About 6 years ago, I switched to American Spirit tobacco and started rolling my own. It was about $11 a can back then, which equates to a carton of cigs. Without the additives to make them burn faster, they last much longer and I found I smoke fewer cigs. Last year, with that new tax implementation, it went to $23 a can, but still a savings.
Val
Jun 12, 2010 8:33 AM CST
Name: Val
Ohio
Neal, did you hear about the coupons that NAS was giving out?

Popular Science Magazine has a $20 gift certificate offer go to tryamericanspirit.com or call 1-800-872-6460 promo code 50336
The coupons are for those over 21 and who live in states that allow coupons to be mailed. They are good for any product the company makes (pre-made cigs, loose tobacco, etc). They will send you two $10 coupons.

I first heard of this offer a couple months ago. I'm not sure if this is still going on but it would be worth a try.
ImageJoy
Jun 12, 2010 1:54 PM CST
Name: Joy Wooldridge
Kalama, Wa. Zone 8b
I switched brands too. Many times. What I smoke now is 'Native' that I buy online for about $21.00 a carton. I like that they're 100% natural, most aren't. After the 30th, I'm going to have to find a local Indian reservation to buy from, or start rolling my own. Cartons in Washington state have recently gone up to $80.00 + a carton. I live very close to the Oregon border and have bought cigs there before, but their cartons are $50.00 +. A savings over Washington's prices, but still too high!
"Spring is Nature's Way of Saying, 'Let's Party!'" - Robin Williams
Imagezuzu
Jun 12, 2010 2:10 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
It's bad enough that the prices of cartons are so high, but some places don't even give you a deal when you buy a carton. The Raley's grocery stores around here charge you 10 times the pack price for a carton. That seems unfair. There's also a huge difference in prices, depending on where you go. A carton of Pall Malls costs about $65 at Raley's and almost $20 less at Walmart.

Joy, are you buying "Native" from a New York reservation? Maybe we need to cultivate friends in New York who'll drive to the reservation, buy our cigs, and mail them to us on the sly.

Years ago, a friend of mine had a cigarette-rolling machine that worked really well. It made perfect cigarettes out of loose tobacco and papers. Val, do you use one of those?
mamajack
Jun 12, 2010 4:01 PM CST
Name: barb allison
Fate, Texas zone 8a
80 dollars for a carton of smokes?!!! wow. i smoke carnival for 40.00 carton. shoot maybe i need to open a cigarette co-op. Rolling on the floor laughing
Imagezuzu
Jun 12, 2010 4:02 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
I'm in. I love your co-ops.
ImageJoy
Jun 12, 2010 4:16 PM CST
Name: Joy Wooldridge
Kalama, Wa. Zone 8b
I've noticed that too Zuzu, Cartons costing more than single pack prices. What's up with that? You used to always get a savings over the pack prices with a carton purchase.
Yes, They're out of New York. I bet it's the same one you buy from? I buy from Internet smokes. Trying to stock up as much as I can right now. But unless I were to quit, which I don't see happening anytime soon, I'm going to get stuck paying those ridiculous prices at some point.

I think Washington State has one of the most expensive taxes on their cigs in the country. Lucky me to live here. (That's sarcasm!) Hilarious!

I had a rolling machine like that years ago. It even put filters on them. Though probably a savings, I bet that's not cheap anymore either!

Mama, That would be great, except, they are making it illegal to ship cigarettes after the 30th.
"Spring is Nature's Way of Saying, 'Let's Party!'" - Robin Williams
mamajack
Jun 12, 2010 4:29 PM CST
Name: barb allison
Fate, Texas zone 8a
well are they going to open every box at the post office? lol. why is it going to be illegal to ship smokes?
Val
Jun 12, 2010 5:05 PM CST
Name: Val
Ohio
Yes, it will be illegal for citizens to ship tobacco through the USPS (UPS already doesn't allow it). The legislation that we can thank for this is here:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-1147
There's a link if you want to read the whole bill.

There will be some companies that will still ship tobacco legally. The bill has set up lots of regulations and some companies will adhere to them.
1. The company will have to pay for a license to sell tobacco in each state it wants to ship to.
2. The company will be required to collect federal taxes and pay it to the federal government.
3. The company will have to keep track of each state's tax rates and collect the correct amount of taxes. Then it will have to send those taxes in to each state.
4. The company will have to keep records of their customers (name, address, credit card #, what they bought, how much they paid, etc) for at least 7 years and give the government access to that information at will.

I'm sure there are more hoops they'll have to jump through but these are the ones that I remember. Naturally, many businesses won't want to mess with all of this and will simply close.

Yes, I use a simple crank machine with filtered tubes. A good crank machine runs between $25 and $45 and they last a long time. The tubes look just like a cigarette but with no tobacco in them yet (non-filter tubes are also available). It takes me about 5 minutes to roll a pack. It's easy. The tobacco that I buy is about $25 for a 14 oz bag (enough for two cartons). The tubes cost about $2 a carton. So I pay about $30 for two cartons if I make them myself. There are cheaper loose tobaccos. Some tobaccos are only about $15 a pound but I prefer the premium stuff. The rolled (injected) cigarettes look just like any other cigarette and how it tastes will depend on what tobacco that you use.

An added advantage is that they don't have that fire-safety stuff. They don't have that funny chemical taste and don't go out all of the time.
Val
Jun 12, 2010 5:15 PM CST
Name: Val
Ohio
The PACT Act specifically exempts cigars and doesn't mention pipe tobacco. For these tobacco products it will be "business as usual".

The major difference between the definition of a cigar and a cigarette is that a cigar is wrapped in a tobacco product as opposed to a paper product. Maybe manufacturers will add a bit of tobacco into their paper tubes and call them filtered cigars---skirting the law in the same way that the clove cigarette manufacturers added tobacco to their tubes and now call their products cigars.
mamajack
Jun 12, 2010 11:34 PM CST
Name: barb allison
Fate, Texas zone 8a
i am so weary of laws like that one.
Imagezuzu
Jun 12, 2010 11:55 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
Can liquor be sent through the mail? I'm really annoyed about the laws treating smoking like something worse than drinking. No matter how many cigarettes I smoke, it's never going to impair my judgment or cause me to run over someone with a car.
ImageJoy
Jun 13, 2010 1:42 AM CST
Name: Joy Wooldridge
Kalama, Wa. Zone 8b
I'm pretty sure liquor has never been allowed in the mail system. But I completely agree with what you're saying Zuzu.
I think most states have been frustrated with smokers finding cheaper ways to get their smokes. They want all those tax dollars they keep raising on cigarettes. If everyone quit smoking like they claim they want, they wouldn't get those tax dollars either. This is all designed to force us in paying those taxes.

Whenever something is on the ballet that will raise taxes, it never passes. No one wants more taxes. But if they ask for those taxes on cigarettes, it passes every time. With most voters being non-smokers these days, that's one tax they don't mind because it won't effect most of them anyway.

I wish it were easier to quit, I'd quit just on the cost alone. But I've tried and it was the most miserable 3 months of my life. I felt like I was clinching my teeth and fists for most of it. So I've pretty much resigned myself to smoking the rest of my life.
"Spring is Nature's Way of Saying, 'Let's Party!'" - Robin Williams
Imagezuzu
Jun 13, 2010 2:36 AM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
I quit for 10 days once. After a week, everyone who had begged me to quit was encouraging me to start smoking again. I'm a naturally happy person. I'm almost always smiling. As soon as I reached the third day of not smoking, however, I was so depressed that it was as if a dark cloud was hanging over me, although there was no objective reason for me to be depressed because nothing in my life had changed for the worse.

On the 9th day, I called Kaiser and asked the advice nurse if they would prescribe me something to alleviate my depression. The stupid nurse said that if I had been on an unnatural high all these years from nicotine, it would make no sense to reproduce it with chemicals. She told me this was my real personality and I should accept it. In other words, she told me I should accept the fact that I would feel miserable for the rest of my life. That was really, really depressing!

On the 10th day, I started planning how I could kill myself without having my son discover the body. I was mapping out all of the logistics, involving a cab ride to a motel room, and then I suddenly realized I had another option: I could walk down to the corner store and buy a pack of cigarettes instead. The neighbors who saw me walking back from the store actually cheered when they saw me with a cigarette in my mouth and a big smile on my face. I will never quit again.
Val
Jun 13, 2010 5:16 AM CST
Name: Val
Ohio
I had a similar experience. It was the only time in my life that I called the suicide hotline. The woman assured me that I would be calling again. I decided that life is too short to be that miserable. I'm a happy smoker.

Now remember that all of these costs and regulations are "for the children". They actually think that when a teenager wants a cigarette, he/she will use their parents' ID to pretend to be older, get on-line, order the cigarettes, use their parents' credit card to pay for it, then have it shipped to their home.

Has anyone ever met one of these fictitious teenagers that order tobacco on-line?
mamajack
Jun 13, 2010 11:30 AM CST
Name: barb allison
Fate, Texas zone 8a
yeah, like kids could wait that long for whatever it is they are wanting. lol.
ImageJoy
Jun 13, 2010 1:30 PM CST
Name: Joy Wooldridge
Kalama, Wa. Zone 8b
Back when I quit, my DH did too. Only he made it for an entire year before he smoked again. He was depressed, had anxiety and was angry that entire year. I just tried to stay out of his way and tried not to do anything that would set him off. It was a tough year. When he started smoking again he said it wasn't because he wanted a cigarette so much, but his anxiety was so bad that he knew if he smoked, it would go away. And it did.

He quit again a year and a half ago. This time he went on antidepressants for awhile and has a prescription for an anti-anxiety medication. Even after a year and a half, there are times that he still has to use the anti-anxiety med to get through a tough spot. And on occasion he'll put a small piece of a nicotine patch on when it gets really bad. He doesn't want to go back to smoking, so he's doing everything he can to try and cope with it without picking up a cigarette. I'm not that tough! Lucky for me though he isn't like most ex-smokers. He likes the smell of cigarettes and doesn't make me go outside to smoke. In fact says 'please' smoke around him. Hilarious!
"Spring is Nature's Way of Saying, 'Let's Party!'" - Robin Williams
Imagezuzu
Jun 13, 2010 2:23 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
I do appreciate former smokers who live vicariously through me. A few months ago, I was walking in town with a friend and two guys were walking very close behind us. It made my friend nervous, but I suspected they had just quit smoking. I finally asked them, and they admitted they were walking close so they could breathe in the smoke I was exhaling.
Imagestarlight1153
Jun 16, 2010 2:03 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Has anybody heard of what else going on with our cigs. Was talk into a friend and she said something about the price going to go up again. Said they were supposed to have something on the news about it.

If the price goes up again, I gonna have a fit. I think it time to get some seed and start growing and curing stands of it.

I buy whatever is cheap. I smoke generic whatever is cheap. I been smoking since I was about 12. Smoking is the only pleasure I have.

We need to go over to the Tea Party Cubit and ask how we smokers can fight , then come back here and make a plan of action, so that our pocketbooks and wallets aren't the ones always emptied out.

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