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Val
Aug 20, 2010 7:25 AM CST
Name: Val
Ohio
A proposed ordinance in Georgia to ban smoking includes e-cigarettes. How crazy is that? Granted, I don't know much about e-cigarettes but I don't see how they could be a health hazard to people who aren't smoking them.
http://casaa.newsvine.com/_news/2010/08/18/4920519-savannah-...

What do you think?
Imagezuzu
Aug 20, 2010 4:16 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
That's incredible. There would seem to be no socially or legally relevant grounds for that kind of ban -- unless, of course, Georgia is one of the tobacco-growing states and resents the encroachment on its source of revenue.
ImageZanymuse
Jul 25, 2011 7:10 PM CST
Name: Brenda Essig
Rio Dell, CA
That link no longer works. I can't imagine why they would want to ban the E-cigs. I just ordered one to test it. It says it will give me the nicotine without the tar and other harmful additives of my real ciggarette and that you are only exhaling water vapor.

Has anyone else tried it? I hope it really works...I would love to "light up" in the office and blow vapor rings at my coworkers . :biggrin

If they ban E-cigs it will just be one more bit of proof that they really do not want to stop smoking...they need the tax base to pay for their pet projects and pay increases. It might be hard to get the voters to agree to hike the taxes on a smokeless nicotine delivery device since they could not claim it was harmful and causing nonsmokers or it's users to bankrupt the nation with our health care expenses Rolling on the floor laughing :
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Imagezuzu
Jul 25, 2011 7:55 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
It will be interesting to see how they try to justify the ban. I guess they could do it on the basis of image. Many people find the sight of someone smoking to be an appealing image. When I was teaching at S.F. State, I smoked through all of my lectures and several students later told me they had started smoking because it looked so cool when I was talking and smoking simultaneously. Others may have been turned off by it, of course, but they weren't stupid enough to tell me.

I still have my junior high school attitudes about smoking. When I see someone smoking, I automatically think the person's cooler than the average and will be more fun than most people.
ImageZanymuse
Jul 25, 2011 8:08 PM CST
Name: Brenda Essig
Rio Dell, CA
I think that the "image" of someone "smoking" a fake cig. would not really look all that cool, most of them really do not look real with their plastic bodies and bright blue or pure red tips! In fact, in the pictures they look rather silly Big Grin But if they do the job for me...I won't mind looking silly in the least!
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Imagezuzu
Jul 25, 2011 8:39 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
How expensive are they? I'm going to run out of cigarettes in a few months and I'm considering alternatives.
ImageZanymuse
Jul 25, 2011 8:54 PM CST
Name: Brenda Essig
Rio Dell, CA
Looking at the comparisons, they say it would be about half the price of cigs. That is no doubt true IF you smoke name brands that are selling at 55 to 65 dollars a carton. I smoke indian cigs at 27 a carton...so the price would be about the same for me...although according to their calculator, they claim I would save about 1/3 in costs...

I am skeptical by nature...so I'll give it a go and see how it works before I give an opinion. Rolling on the floor laughing
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Imagezuzu
Jul 25, 2011 9:01 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
I smoke Indian cigs too (Native brand), but I only have about 10 cartons left. I had been buying them from a reservation in New York, but now they can't be sent through the mail or by UPS. The reservation had been looking into private carriers, but I didn't keep up with the discussion because I had bought dozens and dozens of cartons when I had the chance.
ImageZanymuse
Jul 25, 2011 9:28 PM CST
Name: Brenda Essig
Rio Dell, CA
I am lucky enough to get them from a local reservation Big Grin
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ImageZanymuse
Jul 25, 2011 9:35 PM CST
Name: Brenda Essig
Rio Dell, CA
I don't understand how they can ban their shipping through the USPS or UPS since they are a legal product and the taxes are paid on them. (which is why the price jumped from 17 dollars a carton to $27.00. This is really getting to be less and less a free country and more and more like "Big Brother is watching" Soon the Gestapo will be raiding our homes looking for smoking paraphanalia and hustling us out in the dark of night to never been seen again.
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Imagezuzu
Jul 25, 2011 10:41 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
I think it is a tax issue. The cigarettes I bought from New York didn't have the California taxes paid on them and the New York reservation refused to release the addresses of their customers to federal and state authorities. I'm not sure whether any taxes were paid on them. The price did keep going up, of course, but I'm not sure that had anything to do with taxes. When I started buying them years ago, they were $12 a carton and when I stopped buying them through the mail last year they had risen to about $20 a carton.

I just looked up Native brand at one place and the price is now $32.75 a carton. Seneca Smokeshop, where I used to buy them, is charging only $28 for Native cartons, but they don't carry the non-filter ones anymore, so that's no good to me.
ImageZanymuse
Jul 29, 2011 5:10 PM CST
Name: Brenda Essig
Rio Dell, CA
Well, my free E-cig trial kit came in today...It is NOT like smoking the real thing Rolling on the floor laughing

I quickly discovered that I need to take lighter drags on it or it will choke me and it has a funny after taste. But I am going to give it a few days trial before I write it off.

I am used to menthol and the kit came with non menthol so I am missing that taste too Thumbs down

I have a second kit that my DH ordered that has menthol added. It should be in sometime next week.

I just came in from a ciggy break with my cohorts. They all looked at me and made faces when I took out my E-cig as they lit up. .. Their second hand smoke sure made the difference stand out and I found myself craving the real thing more . . . so I lit up Rolling on the floor laughing
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JuneBug
Oct 1, 2014 11:25 AM CST
Name: June or Nancy☺
Dover AFB, Delaware
We need to post here every now and again so the cubit stays open.

Have any of you liked the E cigarettes? I own two different kinds and find that they both sting my throat and I still want a real one. They seem to have changed the blend of chemicals that they were putting in them. I much prefer smoking a real cigarette.
Imagezuzu
Oct 1, 2014 12:00 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
Thanks for posting, June. You're right: It's important to keep the conversation going.

I still have never tried the E cigarettes and I've never seen anyone around here smoking them. In fact, if it weren't for the recent increase in ads for them, I'd think they were a passing fad that had passed.

When I posted earlier in this thread, I was still smoking Indian reservation cigarettes, but I switched to rolling my own and was amazed by the incredible savings they represented. I'm still rolling my own, and my cigarette budget has shrunk to about $200 a year.
ImageZanymuse
Oct 1, 2014 12:06 PM CST
Name: Brenda Essig
Rio Dell, CA
I switched to E-cigs in June or July of 2011. I was a heavy smoker and my lungs were so black that my xrays were unreadable. I coughed so long and hard that I kept the neighbors awake at night. I did not switch to get rid of the nicotine, but to clear up my lungs. I did have to try 5 different brands of E-cigs before I fund one that gave me the taste and satisfaction I needed, and yes, some burned my throat.

I finally found the right one for me and now my lungs are clear and the hacking cough is gone. I am still happily addicted to nicotine and enjoy relaxing while puffing away on my "fake" ciggy Smiling
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JuneBug
Oct 1, 2014 1:47 PM CST
Name: June or Nancy☺
Dover AFB, Delaware
That's really affordable, Zuzu!

Zanymuse,I am encouraged that you found one that was AOK! Hurray! I thought they were all like the two that I'd tried.
ImageZanymuse
Oct 1, 2014 2:09 PM CST
Name: Brenda Essig
Rio Dell, CA
No, they are all different, just like different brands of cigarettes and there are different levels of nicotine too.
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Imagezuzu
Oct 1, 2014 2:10 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
Brenda, I'm so happy you found this solution and it worked for you. My cough is really bad this year. The cough I used to have only in the dead of winter when I was feeling rundown is now a daily occurrence, even when I'm feeling fine otherwise.
ImageZanymuse
Oct 1, 2014 2:36 PM CST
Name: Brenda Essig
Rio Dell, CA
Zuzu, once I found one I liked the taste of, I committed to using only it for the first 2 days. On the third day I decided to try a real cig and to my surprise I found myself preferring the ecig! I never looked back. The cough lingered for several months and then tapered off until one day I realized it was gone. Big Yellow Grin I don't know if the switch has lengthened my life, but it sure has improved the quality of it.

Good luck!
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Imagezuzu
Oct 1, 2014 2:54 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
Good to know, Brenda. I may be a convert someday if the cough starts to scare me.

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