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mamajack
Jun 6, 2011 6:55 PM CST
Name: barb allison
Fate, Texas zone 8a
zuzu you are intimating that bad things can happen to these people amongst themselves? and no one would ever hear of it so to speak. and ain't nobody gonna feel particularly bad about it. and that they would publicly and on television run out on their creditors? and they get away with it?

and it sounds like you know of this group first hand. or at least have heard of them before this show.

i guess i am most fascinated that they do these on the edge things and get away with it.........today.
Imagegemini_sage
Jun 6, 2011 7:07 PM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY
Sharon, do you share this experience?- I so often meet people with roots in eastern KY, to find a distant shared relative. I've finally gotten to the point where I just say all of us who come from the hills are related somewhere along the way, LOL.
ImageSharon
Jun 6, 2011 7:35 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
No, Neal, I don't share your experience.

I think the misconception of inbreeding is perpetuated by a profound ignorance of the reality that exists within the area and by news hounds who enjoy exploitation.

I've lived in central Kentucky and in western Kentucky as well as having grown up about as far up in the head of the hollow in eastern Kentucky as one can get. My brother and his family still live there and I spend weeks there every year. I hear about that particular concept (inbreeding) about as much in one place as another. And it's about as true in one place as the other.

The fact is, it's true in other places as well. It's just that E. Kentucky and E. Tennessee, sometimes Alabama, sometimes other places, are apparently in the spotlight more often. There's good and bad, right and wrong, pretty and ugly everywhere. East KY doesn't hold the monopoly on it.

Personally, I sometimes take a look at the ignorance and state of dress around me no matter where I am but I don't usually wonder if it's the result of inbreeding.

So no, I can't say that I share your experience, though I've lived in KY for 68 years. I plan to remain here a while longer.
Imagegemini_sage
Jun 6, 2011 7:49 PM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY
I surely didn't mean to single out eastern Ky, that's just where I'm familiar with. I'm thinking about isolated areas or peoples in general, and cultures where outsiders are not often trusted easily. That did sound very generalized too, didn't intend that- mostly thinking of isolated families I heard stories about, certainly not the society at large.
Imagezuzu
Jun 7, 2011 12:07 AM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
Sharon and Neal, I think I associate all of that stuff with Arkansas and maybe West Virginia. Kentucky is associated with incredibly green lawns and beautiful horses in my mind.

Barb, Russians have a strong aversion to Gypsies, just as many other nationalities do, so I was raised with warnings to stay as far away from them as possible. They also got blamed for anything bad that happened in our neighborhood. If a dog was missing or a house was ransacked, Gypsies were automatically suspected of having stolen the dog and burglarized the house.

I have met quite a few Gypsies in my life and all the good ones had severed ties with their community.

But I do love Gypsy music.

As for the Irish travelers, I had never even known they had a connection to Gypsies until now. I've been hearing about them for years, mainly in connection with home repair scams. I've seen several reports on investigative journalism shows. They generally drive around in groups, offering homeowners quality repairs at a discount. They then perform shoddy repairs or none at all and charge far more than a legitimate contractor would. In addition, while part of the group keeps the homeowner engaged in a conversation outside, one or two of the others go inside the home and steal everything of value.

I never thought of them as Gypsies, just as thieving bastards.

And they don't have any music to love.
mamajack
Jun 7, 2011 11:48 AM CST
Name: barb allison
Fate, Texas zone 8a
can't say i associate inbreeding with any people or area of the country but if i had to pick a place or people i would say the mormons MUST do some of that. lol.

well i will watch this show a little more. i find them mostly tacky and it makes me angry that the whole culture thinks it's ok for men to act badly just because they are men. and that the girls don't seem to have a conscience or any kind of shame about walking around mostly naked. it's not ok to have male contact but it is ok to have them all ogling you as they all must be if they are going to public night spots to dance. and it bothers me that all the little girls are living for the day that they too GET MARRIED. they are all waiting for THE DRESS. good grief.

do they not allow divorce in the culture? i am certain that the men wouldn't let a little thing like vows keep them faithful if the mood hit.
Val
Jun 7, 2011 2:19 PM CST
Name: Val
Ohio
My family is from what is considered an "isolated community" due to racial reasons. There was inbreeding (at the first and second cousin level) for a few hundred years. It's just the way things were. There are three main surnames in the area. Everyone knows that we're all related at some point. My grandparents had the same surname before they married. So did one set of my g-grandparents. They weren't closely related but there's never been any doubt that they were related somehow. Due to better transportation and slowly changing attitudes about race, my dad's generation all married outside of the community (although my dad and his brother still married sisters Hilarious! )

I find the subject of isolated communities interesting. The mild inbreeding (cousin level) doesn't bother me at all. Of course my family never had any physical or mental health issues from marrying cousins.

And yes, these isolated communities can be anywhere. My family is in the state of New Jersey. My husband's family was a bit isolated too and married cousins. They are Amish who live in Indiana.

My computer and internet are too slow to do videos and I don't watch TV. Is there a link so I can see what the dresses look like that y'all are talking about?
Imagezuzu
Jun 8, 2011 12:26 AM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
I haven't found a link with lots of still pictures yet, but here's one with a picture of one bride and her bridesmaid.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/big-fat-gypsy-weddings

Is your computer too slow for YouTube videos? There are lots of those that are quite short.
Imagezuzu
Jun 8, 2011 12:57 AM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
Here's the whole wedding party. The dresses are so heavy (70+ pounds) that they cause most of the women to bleed and some of them to be permanently scarred on their hips, where most of the weight rests.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/8305806/My-Big...

I wish I could find some photos of how they look when they're not getting married. Tackier than strippers.
Imagezuzu
Jun 8, 2011 1:05 AM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
Oh, boy. Here we are. Here's a whole page of Google images. The girl lounging on the pool table is one of the brides at her bachelorette party in Spain. The whole family went to Spain before the wedding, and she and her mother and sisters went out on the town dressed in pasties and little more. They said they chose those outfits because they looked "Spanish."

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=940&bih=499&tbm=isch&...
Imagezuzu
Jun 20, 2011 3:20 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
Hooray! "Hoarders" is back! The first show of the fourth season airs tonight on A&E at 9:00.

I've also been watching "Platinum Hit" for the last few weeks. It's a competition similar to American Idol, but it's for song writers.
ImageJaeRae
Aug 3, 2011 12:21 PM CST
Name: Jamie R
Zone 5, WI
save the rainforest & habitat
Wow! Browsing today I realized I completely lost this thread (perhaps on purpose when the topic changed because I do not have any cable TV and couldn't follow). I just read it though and it caused me snickers.

Also, it reminded me that in high school (way back in the olden days) I had written a paper on the kinship system in Aboriginal Australia that included a section devoted to tribal marriage parameters so that within a limited community (having not yet been invaded by other cultures) mate selection was defined (and restricted to no closer than 2nd cousins (m.m.b.d.d.)) and specified by by law.

These people were not educated but, even then, managed to figure it out!

I had to dig it up and re-read it (full of typos in the days before word processors and maybe even pre-'white-out'). I wish I could share it with you.

Yes, it was a rather odd topic for an English class and I have no idea why I chose it (perhaps a precursor gesture of my inherent equal rights thing), but it seems I may've embarrassed the marm because aside from circling typos, the only comment it got said, "Interesting". Hilarious!
Woman on the eastbound train
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chalyse
Nov 24, 2013 12:26 AM CST
ROFTL! I haven't even read this whole thread yet but had to chime in ... living in Japan taught me to have a bit of distaste for indoor plumbing, too! Not only do the outdoor facilities keep the germs far distant from the kitchen, but removing shoes before entering the house also stops their tracking in as well. I'm _still_ trying to get hubby to take off his shoes when he comes in the house, no matter where he's been ... Thumbs up
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