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Imageflaflwrgrl
Sep 15, 2011 8:04 PM CST
Name: Ann
North Central Fl
DH & I recently moved from south Florida to north Fl. & it is a world of difference in many, many ways. One thing we are loving a lot is that there are lots of people who smoke here. We don't feel like such outcasts here. Heck, we've even gone into stores & spy ashtrays behind the counter. Down south you can't go to a Dr. or dentist where you don't have to fill out a form that asks about your smoking habit. AND you can be sure they will roast you over the coals about smoking. Of course EVERYTHING is because you smoke.
Now, since we moved up here both DH & I have been to Dr. & dentist & they don't even have the question on the forms you have to fill out. AND not one, not one Dr. or dentist has made one single solitary comment to either of us about smoking.
I used to get so PO'd at the doctors down south ragging on you so that I threatened to ask them if they drink (of course they do!) & when they replied affirmative then I was going to say, "You know alcohol kills brain cells every single time you take a drink.... now do you think I want some brain dead doctor practicing on me?"
Hey, maybe you guys should consider moving down here to sunny Lake City, Fl. & join the fun!
"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went."
Will Rogers
Imagezuzu
Sep 16, 2011 12:00 AM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
I almost moved to Umatilla, Florida, four years ago. The plans fell through, though, and now I'm glad I didn't move. My doctor here actually smokes, so I'm very happy with him. He wouldn't dare blame anything on smoking. Hilarious!
Imageflaflwrgrl
Sep 16, 2011 9:54 AM CST
Name: Ann
North Central Fl
Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Sounds good to me!
BTW, as a native Floridian --- even I wouldn't move to Umatilla! How do you say? A nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. Or.... I spent a week in Umatilla one day. Hilarious!
"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went."
Will Rogers
chalyse
Nov 18, 2013 2:54 PM CST
OMG ... never in my wildest dreams did I ever hope to find a group of like-minded smokers!!!! I lived in MN when the first anti-smoking push (and laws) were started, and happened to work for a smoking cessation research group, so I got pretty repressed in terms of ever being open about smoking and over the years have not ever heard others talking openly either... So...Thank you so much ZuZu for including a link in your ATP profile... I just noticed it today, and popped on over. You even call yourselves the same as I do: "unrepentant smokers," which I use to describe myself any time someone does ask or comment.

My unrepentant nature began in the 1980s when, completely by chance, I did spend two years working for a stanford-educated epidemiologist who studied smoking, smoking cessation, and other "risk behaviors" (like, taking showers, driving, and having babies, lol) at a midwest university. Deep in the middle of his 40-page papers, which I edited for publication in scientific journals, he would always be sure to outline the very innocuous risks of smoking in comparison with all other normal human activities (people are more likely to die in a fiery car crash on the freeway than to get cancer from smoking, etc).

Unfortunately, the epidemiological community began to notice that he wasn't really on board with their preferred focus or the right "slant" to his work and felt he was compromising the very deep pocket sources of their new-found anti-smoking funding, so he soon enough was transferred to academic "siberia" until he agreed to drop the smoking research and focus on other areas.

But because of my luck in reading every word of those many articles that were published before others in the epi community caught on ... I now pity the medical professional (or anyone else) who challenges me on my choice to smoke ... they do get my very best 40-page recitation of his work, and a few citations to back it up Thumbs up .... the look on their faces is priceless, and the silence it causes is golden ... Rolling on the floor laughing I usually follow it quickly with my most sincerely posed question to them: "oh no ... did you also drive your car here today?!"

Imagezuzu
Nov 18, 2013 8:34 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
Oh, boy! New blood! So glad to see you here, Chalyse. This cubit was once quite active, but we apparently ran out of things to say after a while. I'm so glad to hear about the other "risk behaviors" as I feel quite safe now. I haven't taken a shower since the night I saw "Psycho" more than 50 years ago and have taken only baths since then. I sold my last car about 35 years ago and never bought another, and I had one child more than 35 years ago and decided anyone willing to have more than one child after experiencing childbirth was nuts.

I hope you'll read some of the earlier threads on tobacco research. Val, in particular, is quite knowledgeable about the way the statistics are calculated (or miscalculated). Big Grin
chalyse
Nov 24, 2013 12:19 AM CST
I hear ya, Zuzu! I'm most careful in the shower, too, using all handrails and non-slip foot decals - its about the single most dangerous place in the house!

I'll be catching up on all the older posts this winter now that I have time to read and will be very eager to see Val's research posts. I have to say I also experienced first-hand the "massaging" of statistics, specifically about cigarettes, during my stint with the epidemiologists. One researcher, whose office shared space with ours, called all of their grad students together one day and very publicly admonished them for not producing the desired numbers on their latest project and for failing to show any cause-and-effect links. The students argued that the proper statistical formulas were used, and the researcher just lost it. The students were ordered back to the databases and told to use whatever means necessary to get the "right" results needed for a paper that would be submitted to an influential government/granting unit. They did as told, made the research look like cigarettes were the devil's own work when there was nothing to support it, and the researcher then went on to a very successful career.

Sometimes I cannot even bring myself to talk about the maddening things I "learned" while working with those epidemiologists, if I think about the intrusive laws they spawned during their march to big-money grants (and associated incomes). But then I remember the one I worked for, a non-smoker who stood alone, sacrificed his lucrative position, and took other-subject work rather than compromise his research with distortions. Like him, this group helps to keep saner heads above water even as the anti-cigarette crusade deluges onward.

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Imageflaflwrgrl
Jan 6, 2014 1:01 PM CST
Name: Ann
North Central Fl
chalyse wrote:

Sometimes I cannot even bring myself to talk about the maddening things I "learned" while working with those epidemiologists, if I think about the intrusive laws they spawned during their march to big-money grants (and associated incomes). But then I remember the one I worked for, a non-smoker who stood alone, sacrificed his lucrative position, and took other-subject work rather than compromise his research with distortions. Like him, this group helps to keep saner heads above water even as the anti-cigarette crusade deluges onward.

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And a huge BRAVO for him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have no idea how I got signed out of Cubits as I certainly didn't do it but signed out I was so I never got notification of any new posts on here. I just happened to check today b/c things had been so quiet.

I think the problem we have here is that we are all so much in agreement that there's absolutely no controversy at all so we run out of things to talk about regarding the subject of smoking.

But I have a rant.
How about those anti smoking ads on TV where they show the VERY graphic photos of amputations & blame it all on cancer caused by smoking. Really?????? They're telling us this person lost a leg from smoking? Oh! I guess it doesn't cause lung cancer then but it causes ALL cancer yes? Talk about making smoke come out of my ears!!!! Grumbling Grumbling Grumbling
And *then* I read a nice little write up in the news about how extremely successful those ads were so they've decided to do even more of them & get even MORE graphic with them.
Puh leeeeeease!!!!!!!!
"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went."
Will Rogers
ImageZanymuse
Jan 6, 2014 1:51 PM CST
Name: Brenda Essig
Rio Dell, CA
I am constipated...must be from nicotine...I am obese...must be the nicotine. I am depressed...of course...it's the nicotine! I have an ingrown toenail ... must be from nicotine... I have pneumonia... Yep, it is from standing in wind and rain, fifty feet from the nearest shelter to get my nicotine fix!
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Imageflaflwrgrl
Jan 6, 2014 4:06 PM CST
Name: Ann
North Central Fl
Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

And of course this winter storm won't be the death of some people ---- it will be the nicotine that's to blame.

Seriously, I pray there will be no deaths resulting from this awful winter storm that is impacting all of us.
"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went."
Will Rogers
Imagezuzu
Jan 6, 2014 4:22 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
I haven't seen the amputation ads yet, but they do sound grisly. And also preposterous!

I turned 70 last February and there have been many changes in the last few years in the way people perceive me, mostly negative, but one thing is wonderful: No one nags me about smoking anymore. Maybe they just see it as one of the eccentricities of an eccentric old bat. Rolling on the floor laughing

Some of my former students have stayed in touch with me over the years. This year I received the usual Christmas card from one of them, but her husband had enclosed a note saying she has Alzheimer's and he was using her Christmas card list to let people know. I remember her as a vehement anti-smoking crusader. Too bad she didn't smoke. She might still be sound of mind if she had.
ImageZanymuse
Jan 6, 2014 5:16 PM CST
Name: Brenda Essig
Rio Dell, CA
If she lived with a smoker, worked with a smoker, had a neighbor that smoked, lived within a city where a smoker ever smoked...then you can be 100% certain that her Alzheimer's is smoking related.

Oh, and FYI...I have been a "non-smoker" for over a year now. I still get my nicotine with an E-cig though, and I still do not like the nonsense and propaganda they are spewing at us.
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Imagezuzu
Jan 6, 2014 7:21 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
She did have a teacher who smoked nonstop as she faced her students during her classes, Hilarious! but the minute they start linking Alzheimer's to smoking is when I'll become a crusader. Even in families vulnerable to this disease, the non-smoking family members either escape it completely or are known to exhibit the much later onset of the disease.

I'm glad you're still getting the nicotine. It'll ward off Alzheimer's and Parkinson's and a host of other maladies.
Imageflaflwrgrl
Jan 6, 2014 9:28 PM CST
Name: Ann
North Central Fl
Geez Zuzu! I can't believe you're 70!!!! Hey congrats on that!


Interesting, they didn't put up one of the amputee ones as one of the grizzly examples but I can tell you I have seen them & they are really out there. Even worse is one I saw that just turned my stomach inside out -- it showed this leg that was black & rotting is the only way I can describe it. It was just TOO horrid.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/2012/04/11/cdcs-shocking-anti-s...

http://www.everydayhealth.com/smoking-cessation/cdc-anti-smo...
"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went."
Will Rogers
Imagezuzu
Jan 7, 2014 1:36 AM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
Thanks for the congrats, but it doesn't please me to get old. I feel as young as ever, but other people's treatment of me has changed. Anytime I buy anything at a store, I'm asked whether I need help loading it into the car. When I say I don't have a car and I walked to the store, they act as though I had just performed a miracle! The last time I had an appointment with my doctor, a neighbor drove me there, and the receptionist and nurse both asked me whether I needed her to come into the examination room with me. They must have thought she was my caretaker. It's highly irritating!
ImageZanymuse
Jan 7, 2014 8:53 AM CST
Name: Brenda Essig
Rio Dell, CA
Walking to the store! That is amazing in this day and age when most people jump in the car and drive across the street. As for the help loading at the grocery store...only if they are willing to follow me home and unload them too Hilarious! If I can't get something into the car, how could I get it out again?
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Imagezuzu
Jan 7, 2014 9:32 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
I've been watching Downton Abbey, so I have to assume they think one of your servants will unload the groceries when you get home. Smiling

I ran into another realistic doctor today. I went to a head and neck surgeon to schedule the removal of a cyst on my face. He scheduled the surgery and gave me my pre-op instructions. When he got to the part advising me not to smoke in the two weeks preceding the surgery, I laughed hysterically and told him I wouldn't be a smoker if I could stop for two weeks. He laughed too, bless his heart, and told me to forget about that part of the instructions.
ImageZanymuse
Jan 7, 2014 9:41 PM CST
Name: Brenda Essig
Rio Dell, CA
That is a rare doctor. It is funny though that they think you can turn it off, snap, and it is just that simple.

If you were stranded on a deserted Island and had to survive without cigarettes for a year...would you be a non smoker when you were rescued, or would your first request be for a cigarette?
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Imagezuzu
Jan 8, 2014 1:01 AM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
Neither. I'd drown myself within a week. Hilarious!
ImageZanymuse
Jan 8, 2014 1:51 AM CST
Name: Brenda Essig
Rio Dell, CA
Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Now that, is the answer of a true, hardcore tobacco addict I tip my hat to you.
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ImageJeannie63
Jan 8, 2014 8:18 AM CST
Name: Jeannie
North of Milwaukee, WI
zone 5A
My DH had foot surgery a few years ago. It was outpatient surgery, and they wanted him to stay in recovery for a few hours after the surgery was over. Of course, he wanted a cigarette, but due to the No Smoking policy in the hospital, the nurses would not let him.

After about two hours, with my DH getting more and more disturbed because they would not find him a place where he *could* smoke, I finally told the nurses that unless they accommodated his smoking needs soon, I was going to go home and *they* could deal with him and his increasingly nasty attitude!

They soon found a balcony to wheel him to so he could sneak a smoke Thumbs up
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
- Dr. Seuss

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