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Imagecrittergarden
Nov 29, 2013 9:24 AM CST
I am not a militant vegetarian.
I don't believe in attacking people for their choices, especially the philosophical ones so closely related to religion.

I have since a very young age felt bad about eating animals.
I wasn't allowed pets so I didn't get to have a close relationship with a companion animal until I was in my 30s and my feelings got very deep then.

And since I've grown and gained knowledge about the industrial dairy and egg systems, I've felt bad about using animals in this way, too.

I only recently learned the word "carnism".
I learned it here:
http://www.farmsanctuary.org/learn/carnism/
"What is carnism?
Carnism, as defined by Dr. Joy, is the invisible belief system that conditions people to eat certain animals, much like vegetarianism and veganism are belief systems whereby people refrain from eating most or all animal products. “Carn” means “flesh,” and “ism” denotes a belief system."

I myself am down to the last animal whose flesh I will eat: turkey.
It's a metabolism booster and I am overweight, so I whittled it down to that.
It will go soon.

I must interject that on the RARE occasions I can afford to eat in a restaurant, I may order a cheeseburger or a fish dish. Eventually, I believe, the thought of it will turn off those cravings but I'm not there yet.

Eggs and cheese will be harder. Where possible, I will get them from a small family farmer where the animals are treated with respect.

So if anyone wants to discuss without attacking, hop on in.
Imagecrittergarden
Nov 29, 2013 9:34 AM CST
The next paragraph on the carnism definition:

"Because carnism is an invisible belief system, most people view eating animals as a given rather than as a choice"

"When eating animals is not necessary for survival, however, as is the case in the majority of the world today, then it is a choice. People’s beliefs about “edible animals” have a dramatic effect on their thoughts, feelings, and behaviors toward animals raised for food. In meat-eating cultures around the world, people eat only certain animals, but they don’t think about why they find the meat of some animals disgusting and the meat of other animals appetizing — or why they eat any animals at all."
Imagecrittergarden
Nov 29, 2013 10:31 AM CST
I saw this documentary Wednesday night and it filled my spirit with joy.
(Also with some sadness that usually comes with nature documentaries.)

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/my-life-as-a-turkey/...
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Imagecrittergarden
Dec 9, 2013 8:25 AM CST
Last night I went through my entire recipe board on Pinterest (over 1200 pins) and removed all the non-vegetarian recipes. Even the shellfish and turkey. When winter is over and it's getting too hot to roast a turkey, I will drop the turkey from my diet and be vegetarian from then. I hope that during the coming summer, I can amass enough truly vegan recipes to be able to drop the eggs and cheese. That will certainly be harder....
ImageSharon
Dec 14, 2013 10:08 AM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
The truth, CG, is that I never thought much about whether or not I was vegetarian, the word wasn't a word when I was making life long choices. It started, I think, during WWII when we were a family of women whose men were serving their country in a land so far away we hardly knew it existed. We lived in the mountains of SE KY, so far up a holler it was 10 miles of walking to the nearest store. Only my grandfather had a car and he lived a few miles away; gas rationing was also a problem. So we lived off the land. We had gardens on every available flat space we could find on that mountain we called ours. We grew enough food in summer to keep us fed in winter. We had a few chickens, but they produced eggs and we had an old cow, but she produced our milk. So we truly had no meat except on a Sunday here and there when somebody took us elsewhere for the proverbial 'chicken in a pot' Sunday dinner.

I never grew up with very much meat available and when it did become available, I didn't like the feel of it in my mouth. I was too used to the taste and texture of vegetables and fruit.

Anyway, all that to tell you that it wasn't a conscious choice for me, it was just a way of life. That isn't to say I haven't tried beef and pork and deer and lamb, and though I didn't push it away from my place at the table, I never really developed a liking for it. Turkey I don't enjoy at all and chicken I can take or leave depending on whether or not it's hidden in stuffing. I do like shellfish, but not so much a fish filet. I have never given up cheese or eggs, though I don't have either of them very often.

So what category do I fall into? I never was very good at fitting into a mold, mostly because at the old age of 71 I have continued to do what I always did and that is to eat mostly vegetables and fruit. I can always get protein from various beans, steamed, grilled, baked and made into bean cakes as well as the bits of cheese and/or eggs that might go into a salad, and the shrimp that I love and have occasionally.

I do get wordy sometimes, when it's something I feel strongly about, all this to say that I am looking forward to the recipes that I hope will appear here. And I will be cheering you on as you enter your new food phase. One other thing I will tell you is that after a lifetime of eating very few meats, I have no health problems nor do I take any medications except for the rare Tylenol here and there. I have no idea how that happened, or if it is food related, but I do know that the foods I've eaten throughout my life have never contributed to a weight problem. Maybe that's a plus factor, I don't know because as I said, the word 'vegetarian' wasn't a word when I began to make my own food choices.

Maybe the key for you will be to not make sudden changes, but make them gradually.

Oh. And Happy Birthday! right along with Merry Christmas. Smiling
Imagecrittergarden
Dec 14, 2013 1:21 PM CST
Thank you so much, Sharon!
As you can see, there has been very little response to my little peep to find similar peeples....

We had meat available on the farm I grew up on. Not raised meat, but my father, being born in 1920 in then frontier Arkansas, kept up his boyhood hunting for sustenance into my lifetime. He passed, however, when I was very young. The CULTURE there, however, was meat based and I grew up meat based.

I was in college in the 70s and sometime early on I read an article in Rolling Stone called "You are what they eat". This was the first time I was alerted to the HEALTH issues....

I wasn;t allowed to have companion animals until I was on my own, though I always connected with them and sometimes brought them home only to have them given away by my mother..... It took me until I was 30 to experience the love and companionship of a CAT.

If a CAT is my loving equal - and she WAS even more so than any human I had ever known, ANY "animal" is my loving equal.

SO after decades of conformity and not having enough information to understand how to make the changeover, I venture into veganism. I did vegetarianism off and on., but now knowing the horrors of the industrial production of eggs and dairy, I am trying to get that out of my life as well. IF I know a compassionate farmer for my eggs and dairy, I see no need to eschew it. But I balk at buying eggs, cheese, and yoghurt in the mainstream grocery stores.....

As I said Sharon, THANKS for chiming in. I was getting lonely in here!
Thumbs up
ImageSharon
Dec 14, 2013 1:53 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
Never lonely, Critter. I'm always around somewhere, I just kept putting off my long winded story, well, because it was so long winded.

I do the same about eggs and butter, I know my farmer. There are several Amish sources close by here. I also like to get their fresh vegetables in season.

I don't garden so much anymore, age makes a difference though I don't like to admit it. But living alone also makes a difference. I try to stock up in summer from my Amish buddies and also from the farmer friend who is only one county over. Then I freeze what I get and that lasts through the winter.

As far as pets, well, when I was grown and making my own way and could have an inside pet, I first had Sam, a little cocker spaniel, dumb as a box of rocks but then I was equally dumb about how to train him. That was years ago during my first year of teaching and through all the years there was always an inside pet whether a cat or two or a dog, a bird or Oscar the blue gill that my son accidentally caught when it was about 2 inches long. He couldn't bear to get rid of it, not even to toss it back in, so we kept him in an aquarium for years. Sad day when Oscar crossed that bridge. And now I have two rescued cats and one rescued dog . . . and a yard full of cardinals and chickadees and bluebirds, squirrels, the occasional rabbit and anything else that wanders in. I would think no more of eating those precious critters than I would think of eating the tree they live in. Which says a lot for the food choices I make.

I really should have planned it a little better and planted an apple tree where the mimosa is and a pecan tree instead of the Golden Rain Tree that I simply had to have. Then I could once more nibble my way through most days.

I'm right here, you aren't alone. Sometime this weekend when I slow down I'll find that pizza recipe that you will absolutely love. It will be another step on your new meat free journey. But I'll warn you, it does have cheese. Big Grin
Imagecrittergarden
Dec 14, 2013 2:10 PM CST
Love ya, Sharon!
I'm frequently "long winded" as well, but not often as eloquent as you are!

Sharon wrote:I'm always around somewhere, I just kept putting off my long winded story, well, because it was so long winded. :


ImageSharon
Dec 14, 2013 2:13 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
I wish we could give thumbs up here, too! You'll have to settle for a smiley. Smiling
Imagecrittergarden
Dec 14, 2013 2:15 PM CST
I disabled out of work before I had much chance to set myself up for retirement. A couple of years after that, I relocated to a different hardiness zone (from zone 9 to zone 5....) BUT ALSO, as hard as all that was to accept, when I got over the shock and self loathing, I realized that as long as I could accept living poor, I could finally BE MYSELF!!! And part of that is to become true to my love of animals. God knows I lived on beans and pasta for the first few years, not knowing what else to do, but over the last decade I have learned better ways. Ways more true to my heart. Once I got past the panic, I am beginning to find my core.....
Imagecrittergarden
Dec 14, 2013 2:16 PM CST
Big Grin
Big smiley backatcha!
ImageSharon
Dec 14, 2013 2:26 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
You didn't lose your core, you just left it behind when you got out of rural Arkansas, just like I did when I left my mountains in SE KY. The difference is that now you have it back again. See, you carried it with you all those years and are just now coming to terms with all of it.

You are a little younger than I am and you might have a longer road ahead of you but you'll use your core to find your way. We are always who we were from the beginning, in spite of the baggage that crept in while we were living the high life . . . peel back that bark and we find our roots. Most of the time we also find our own strength that was there all the time, though we didn't realize it.

And now, my dear, I need to make my way out of this rainy sludgy mucky snow covered driveway and run to the dollar store because I am fresh out of clear tape and name tags and can't clear up all this Christmas mess until I get some.
Short trip, I'll be right back!
Imagecrittergarden
Dec 14, 2013 3:00 PM CST
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ImageSharon
Dec 14, 2013 4:03 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
Cute little guy!
Imagecrittergarden
Dec 14, 2013 4:12 PM CST
I'm trying to persuade Ridesredmule to make me a real one of clay. I have sought a peace sign flashing gnome for DECADES! I search and search, but I can find none foe sale. I hope she hears me.....



ImageSharon
Dec 14, 2013 4:16 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
She's pretty good with that clay.
If she doesn't make you one, one of these days I'll just paint you one. Trouble is, he'd have to be an inside on your wall gnome.
Imagecrittergarden
Dec 14, 2013 4:37 PM CST
Sharon wrote:You didn't lose your core, you just left it behind when you got out of rural Arkansas, just like I did when I left my mountains in SE KY.


I know you will see it when I say it, but I will say it"

The CORE has always been within me.
I had to leave to be able to shake off the life *residue" all ovee it.
Now I can see the shiny, vibrant core for the value it has.

Imagecrittergarden
Dec 14, 2013 4:47 PM CST
Sharon wrote:She's pretty good with that clay. If she doesn't make you one, one of these days I'll just paint you one. Trouble is, he'd have to be an inside on your wall gnome.


I'd like to have any gnome that came my way, but I really want a "show my stripes" peace sign flashing gnome for the front door area !!!

I WILL make a moss, peace sign shaped wreath and I WILL paint :"grow" on my sidewalk facing wall in moss......

I'll be 55 by new years and I am resolved to finally let my decades stifled hippie out!!!!

ALL over EVERYTHING ~~~~~ !!!

Hee hee.

Big Grin
ImageSharon
Dec 14, 2013 4:48 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
OK, so it was hidden behind life's residue/baggage.
Yes.
ImageSharon
Dec 14, 2013 4:49 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
Ha!!

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